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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:18 pm 
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We took wanders down the harbour a few times over the last week or so, and on all occassions there hasnt been a tout in view!!! :shock:

We have seen them on TOKR, but where have they gone to. Life is too peaceful without them...

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I was near the BuySell offices yesterday, and further up towards the Seagull and they were in evidence up there. It makes my blood boil to see them - they really do bring the place down.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:23 pm 
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we ran in to them about a week ago, so i thought give this ago scratched the card got 3 euro signs the guy said oh great you got me 60 euro comision then went in to his speal about this is a club not timeshare, so i told him im going for dinner and i would come back(fat chance) any way he then told me he needed the ticket back i told him to get stuffed as he had given me the ticket as i walked of i tore it up.

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Why would he ask for the ticket back :roll: They have loads off winning ones at hand :roll:


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Are they getting heavy handed on the touts now or have they just gone to fresh pastures :?:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:21 pm 
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Was back down there this evening between 4 and 5pm and not any sign of one. Maybe its past their bed times.

Or have we just been lucky?

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Timeshare companies desperate to clean up their image


‘There aren’t permits to control what we do’

TIMESHARE and holiday ownership companies in Paphos are desperate to clean up their aggressive image and want to continue to operate in a regulated and policed fashion.

Brendan Surgenor, CEO of a Paphos-based company specialising in holiday ownership, contacted the Cyprus Mail after a recent story highlighted aggressive touting in the seaside resort.

He pointed out there are three main companies operating these services using touting methods, and they all wish to be licensed and legal.

“I agree that there are some operatives who are aggressive, and there are areas of Paphos where there are far too many concentrated in one place, such as the harbour.

“It would be a good idea if, for example, each company was allowed five representatives, who would be in coloured uniforms with ID badges. Then people would be able to identify them and complain if they were treated aggressively. It could be a case of three strikes and you’re out. This is common practice all over the world.”

Timeshare or holiday ownership can either mean a form of part ‘ownership’ of a property or the legal right to use a particular property, depending on the terms dictated in the contract.

The sharer has no claim of ownership over the property, and may have a number of options attached to the agreement such as gifting, internal sale, or the right to rent it out for a specified allotted time.

Surgenor has a 20-year history in the timeshare industry, including in Greece, and has been operating in Paphos for four years as the CEO of a company involved in holiday ownership including, Interval International, RCI, and which has exclusive rights to international cruises and excursions in Cyprus.

He stressed, “I’ve approached the Paphos mayor Savvas Vargas on a number of occasions to request a licence as this would be of help to all of us. We want to be policed and regulated, but I was told this wasn’t possible. We want to work with the mayor,” he added.

Surgenor believes holiday ownership is a good thing for Cyprus and says figures suggest it brings in around €10 million a year in tourism revenue. According to Surgenor, even when times are lean, time-share properties are 50-60 per cent full.

Touts are fined €85 a time if they are found to be harassing members of the public. Surgenor has calculated that this money amounts to €3,000-4,000 a month.

“We aren’t ignorant to the situation,” he said, “and we are asking for professional help, I want to get involved with the relevant officials to discuss what we can do.”

Established holiday ownership companies in Paphos include, Karoushi, Leptos and Panareti. But they don’t necessarily use touts on the street. Leptos sell their holiday ownership internally and Surgenor believes this is because they don’t want to be associated with these types of problems.

He added, “We are all on very good terms and I often have Cypriot companies knocking on my door, especially since the global financial crisis.”

Surgenor believes timeshare to be an outdated term that only refers to fixed weeklong holidays, whereas holiday ownership is more flexible.

“I would like nothing more than to sit down with the CTO, the mayor and the police and sort out a strategy.”

And what if this meeting isn’t forthcoming?

“I plan to clean up the mess, bring down the numbers of representatives on the streets, and legalise the touts to a specified number per company,” he advised, “There are many dotted around Paphos; it’s not just on the seafront and in the market.”

Surgenor added, “I’m continually asking for a license and the last time we requested one was about three months ago.

“I was again told there isn’t one that could apply to us. Instead, via a member of the municipality who pointed me in the right direction, I have rented a small shop in the market.

“I don’t need as many people on the street, and I have exhibitions inside. People are inquisitive and come into me; it’s getting rid of the need for touts. But it still really needs to be controlled.”

Countries such as Spain, the Canary Islands and Malta are policed and controlled, and Surgenor believes this approach is more professional.

“We have highly trained staff who have worked in the industry before, but sometimes there are those who are badly trained, and have no idea what they’re doing. I mean, you can’t have three people in the harbour and 15 touts, it’s ridiculous.”

Surgenor said he represents the views of all the holiday ownership companies in Paphos, and pointed out that most are owned, or connected to Cypriots.

“It will be a lot nicer if we could be registered, and have five out on the streets instead of 40.

“We all want to listen, and don’t want to break the laws, and I would love to approach the mayor again if he would sit down and listen to me. I know he embraces the idea of holiday ownership, but not the presence of touts on the streets, and this way of marketing.”

Surgenor insists he is using other methods of promotion.

“People come into my shop of their own free will, and I’m just opening a second one.”

“It’s now down to the municipality if they would like to meet up. If there is no control, things get out of control; it’s just common sense. My door is always open.”





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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:55 pm 
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Jolly Green Giant wrote:
“It would be a good idea if, for example, each company was allowed five representatives, who would be in coloured uniforms with ID badges. Then people would be able to identify them and complain if they were treated aggressively. It could be a case of three strikes and you’re out. This is common practice all over the world.”


That would probably be a decent idea, although I would extend the "3 strikes" rule to the companies employing the touts as well - if we have to have them, at least try and make them more accountable....


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What a bunch of flannel, effectively its pushing the blame for misselling and touting onto the authorities and trying to be whiter than white.

If the shops were sooo sucessful then why isnt there 10 of them and zero touts.

The TOKR and harbour were hoaching with them today again and they are a real blight. The blame cant be passed on interminably.

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Brendan Surgenor, CEO of a Paphos-based company specialising in holiday ownership wrote:
We want to be policed and regulated, but I was told this wasn’t possible.


What part of "Touting is illegal" does he not understand ?????

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Many of the touts would appear to be newbies with pearly white skin.
I think the conduct of many of these individuals (who are acting dirctly on behalf of the companies involved ) is disgraceful. At least One is due to be killed this summer due to the way they manoever their bikes, quads and cars up and down the TOKR, but sadly I fear it will be the innocent party who comes off worse.

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I know of this Brendan character and therefore that is why I wouldn't trust a word he said!

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It's alright him spouting off like this - but they were still up and down our road in cars stopping tourists. The Pafian Park has been closed for a month, but reopens this weekend - will be interesting to see if these "people" are back to their old tricks.

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It strikes me that if their product was so great, they wouldn't need touts at all. They could work on a personal recommendation basis.

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We were walking out of the Elysium http://www.elysium-hotel.com/ earlier today and were "spotted" by two touts on a scooter. Quite why they thought we were interested when we were climbing into a Cyprus registered (and very dusty) off road vehicle isn't clear, but you could tell their hearts weren't in it when the slapper on the back yelled "Are you English?" in a steadily decreasing Mancunian falsetto as we replied " Menoume stin Kypro efaristo".

Shame she didn't stick around for the invitation to visit all our Cypriot neighbours who would be delighted to entertain her for several hours with a view to interest her in some land that their brother's cousins uncle has for sale on behalf of his auntie's godson's daughter..........................


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You can always do what I do for a laugh, just spend a little time to listen to them, take the ticket and tell them you'll scratch it off later, and walk off with it, they go mental, and they don't bother me anymore!


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