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https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/ ... 9XjODfJosg

Looks like the UK government has paid out 2 million pounds to an advertising company presumably to extend project fear for two more years. Strangely enough the 2 years coincides with the end date of the vaccine human trials in 2023.

You seem to have posted your conspiracy theorising in the wrong section as that link seems to have nothing to do with Paphos Day 2 Day Life.

I've given myself a slap on the wrist

And I have moved it to UK News

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Moira And Dave

“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”

Many Covid related topics get discussed in the Paphos Daily life section - from vaccine appointments, to variants, to vaccine passports, to restrictions/relaxations

Doesn't seem like a conspiracy theory to me, I'd call it a 'spot on' explanation for the reason behind the campaign......another £2million the UK's tax payers will have to pick up

If memory serves from the other thread, you are also an anti vaxxer so I am sure it doesn't seem like a conspiracy to you.

We have differing opinions, but my point here was that it was in the wrong group and needed to either be in the UK group (as it now is) or a political group as this kind of topic seems to bring out some quite strong opinions.

Rather than you keeping spouting out your ' conspiracy theory' nonsense why don't you give us the benefit of your views upon why the government is spending 2 million on this sort of 2 year contract?

That would be a no, because I don't need to. I'm not the one convinced that there is some mass conspiracy going on around the world. My views are those of every rational person on the planet.

I am so pleased that I am also a rational person like you Effsie! The UK Government have tried and indeed are still trying to educate and advise the entire 68million multi ethnic population of the UK and I believe they are doing a damned good job. It does not seem strange to me that what they are promoting is the same as every other country in the World and the WHO!
I don't know if anyone in Cyprus has seen the documentary on Kate Garraway and her husband who is still in Hospital critically ill one year on after contracting Covid. Maybe if more people saw this and also all the people in the media now who are still suffering the long term effects of Covid they might think again of disputing the atrocities of this awful disease and remember that by not taking the vaccine they are effectively condemning others to die - yes strong words but true.

Now that really is utter nonsense

What right do you think you have to expect those who don't want the vaccine for their own personal reasons - whatever they are.....not least because the trials are incomplete and has been granted emergency use only (NOT full approval) - just because you have decided for your own personal reasons to have the vaccine.

And as for the rest of your statement about how wonderful the government are, I think many will disagre....maybe not on this forum though

I have been following Kate Garraway and her husband Derek’s covid illnesses since he went to hospital 12 months ago
For those who don,t know...he has been left with permanent damage to his kidneys, liver, holes in his lungs and severe heart damage ..he is now wheel chair bound....all from his covid 19 virus! He will need 24 hour round the clock specialist care for a very very long time...if not forever! 12 months on...he is an incredibly sick man

People forget ...that Covid 19 is not only about the 2.66 million people to date who have sadly died
But also of the many other 100,s of thousands of people who have been left seriously ill with long covid illness

I too think that the uk government is doing a brilliant job in trying to educate a vast amount of multi cultural people to understand the very real dangers of covid 19

when looking at figures...I look at how many cases...how many deaths...but also how many are still on the road to recovery and are still not fully recovered

What a pile of giraffe! A very selfish institutionalised attitude without examining the evidence. Even your own government is adamant that the shots may only reduce the effects of a virus and not prevent its movement and or transmission.

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Straight talking, no Gimmicks.

Live your dreams.

No doubt the advertising company will be owned by someone in the Tory friends and family contract award scheme. But 2 million is a drop in the ocean to what has been wasted on track and trace, PPE etc.
I am glad I no longer pay tax there anymore

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Ok let me address the posts by Ladylibra and Tanny. Firstly I stand by my statement that by not having the vaccine you are condemning others to die. If you don't have the vaccine you may catch the virus. If you catch the virus you may not know you have it. You may mix with others and pass the virus on to them. They may become seriously ill and die. Is that clear enough? Now to Tanny - I really do not care to be called selfish. I have been shielding for the last 12 months. I have not set foot into a supermarket or Restaurant for 12 months. Yes it is to protect myself but also to protect others and most certainly the NHS. Maybe you are not getting the whole picture in Cyprus but there is new data being produced all the time which is most definitely indicating that the vaccine appears to be not only protecting from serious illness but also preventing transmission! You only need to look at France which is now experiencing very high rates and deaths which certainly points to the low rates of vaccination there. I do realise that I will never convince people who want to bury their heads in the sand so all I can say is stay safe.

Perhaps you should look at the 300,000 people whose operations have been cancelled, or the many thousands who can't even get a diagnosis, because of an illness that has little or no effect on over 90% of the population. Given that anyone who dies from a respiratory infection in the UK is classed as a COVID death (hence there are no flu deaths this year) and any death from ANY cause within 28 days of a positive test is classed as a COVID death, one is entitled to question the death rate.

In the UK, currently fewer than 100 a day are claimed to be dying 'from' this disease (the normal average death daily toll in the UK is 1400) and yet only this week the government increased the lockdown provisions and introduced a £5000 fine for anyone who travels out of the country (with some provisos) and the rhetoric is always jam tomorrow, while the MSM ramp up the scare stories.

I actually need to travel to the UK but the chances of doing so this year are virtually nil. I would even have the vaccine in order to do so, though I am not at all in favour of compulsory vaccination. If I was to get there, would I be able to return, given the bigger hash the EU is making of the issue? I hope I live long enough to see a return to sanity.
Those others are free to have the vaccine if they wish. If the vaccine actually works as claimed then they won't die.

The disease mainly affects the unhealthy, the obese and the old. These groups should by now have had the opportunity to be vaccinated.

That doesn't seem strange to you?
Do you not have any thoughts at all about the majority of the world's reactions to this 'pandemic', or the pandemic itself, are well thought out strategies and dictated worldwide by one so called authority with very dubious motives?

KG you are not correct on some points you raised.
1) Even in the UK not all the vulnerable have been vaccinated yet and certainly in the EU nowhere near all the vulnerable have been vaccinated.
2) This virus is now shown to be affecting the young now and not just the vulnerable. People in their 30's are becoming seriously ill or dying. Check out the news, actual cases of people interviewed do not lie.
Finally I do agree with you that the UK and it appears Cyprus and I am sure many other countries are in danger of many more deaths due to undiagnosed and untreated other conditions this surely is why it is so important to vaccinate and beat this virus as far as we are able.
Finally Old Twister I am not going to attempt to reply to your nonsense!

And let me once again address your statement poppytim



That would imply that I am selfish person and have no regard for others. Now you don't know me at all but I bet my friends and family would argue with you on that. I am anything but selfish and I certainly do care about others. So I will thank you not to suggest otherwise

I am also increasingly fed up of a certain few on here insinuating that I (an others who are on the same page as me) don't get it - Calling us conspiracy theorists is just an 'ignorant' label....but if it makes you feel better for labeling us as this.....then OK go ahead......personally I would call Governments in to question, as they are certainly guilty of conspiring....not forgetting the WHO (who are one of the most corrupt organisations going)

And to say:



That couldn't be further from the truth, I am very much not burying my head in the sand but would certainly suggest that you and a few more on here are.

KG - is correct in everything he stated in his post (sorry KG I am presuming you are a 'he'....apologies if incorrect)

Vaccinations was supposed to be our way out of this pandemic, but now we are told....'Oh no still wear your face masks and continue to social distance as the vaccine doesn't stop transmission or prevent you from getting covid'
Then we were told we will be able to have our summer holidays and now it looks like that has been taken away from us.
Boris said he expected to be out of lock down by June and be back to some sort of normality, doubt that very much.
The link that Old Twister posted regarding the 2 year Media Campaign contract, does that not tell you that they're not going to let us get our lives back any time soon. They know they're gonna keep up the media propaganda fear factor for a very long time.



Yes UncleD I don't doubt that for a minute

KG - I am in the same position as you, I desperately need to get back to the UK. I have a son there who is struggling and needs my support as well as elderly parents who I have seen go down hill during the last 12 months.

My parents (late 80's) absolutely love to see their grand kids and great grand kids. It makes them feel very happy, they love having their family around them. It gives them purpose. My sister (who doesn't share my views) keeps away from them as does her kids and grand kids - to keep them safe - but my sons visit them. My parents have told me they are so thankful my sons visit (with grand kids also) as without it they would be even unhappier than they are. What I am trying to say is my sister believes she is looking out for them by staying away but that is not what my parents want or need. Mental health is indeed very important. My kids are attempting to keep them 'mentally well'. My Dad has gone down hill over the last 12 months because 'Project Fear' is playing with his head. And main stream media is responsible for that. As a keen cyclist all his life (still capable of short rides) he is now frightened that if he goes out he may bring something back to my Mum.

poppytim -


Which news are you referring to, if you mean MSM - no thanks, I call that 'puppet news'

It never ceases to amaze me how people follow what they are being told to do without even questioning if it makes any sense.

If we were told that we would be much safer and the transmission rate would go down if we wore blue shorts on a Monday, Green on Wednesday and Yellow for the rest of the week.....I am certain we would see many comply !!

You are saying that you are refusing to be vaccinated for your own personal reasons. Those that are being vaccinated are doing so for their own safety and for the safety of those around them and the population in general - even the anti vaxxers. It seems fairly clear who the selfish ones are!


What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Of course people wouldn't agree to wear different colour clothes.

You are part of a tiny but loud minority who have convinced themselves that there is some huge global conspiracy. You have my sympathy but we really do all need to follow scientific and government advice (and I mean real advice not the fringe nonsense that some people are trying to spout) so that we can get away from this virus and try and get back to some kind of normality. All you are doing is prolonging it.

Obviously said 'tongue in cheek' - stating the point that people just blindly comply with rules, without even thinking if they make sense!!



Again I beg to differ, it is the very compliance of such measures that is prolonging the situation.

Having said all of this I definitely empathise with those who have major health issues and have confined themselves indoors. For example poppytim said she hasn't set foot in a supermarket or restaurant for 12 months. Who am I to question if this is totally necessary as I don't know what health issues she has. And if she feels that is the right thing for her to do, then it is. But that does not mean that this is the right thing to do for everyone who has serious health issues.
It is obvious that 'Project Fear' will have a greater impact on those with serious health issues

If you want to believe everything you are being fed by MSM go ahead, but accept that when the world has completely changed (for the absolute worse) as a result of 'naive compliance on a grand scale', just know that you played your part in changing the world and try to explain it to your kids and grand kids. I will at least be able to look mine in the eyes and say I tried.

1) I didn't say they had. I said they had been given the opportunity.
2) Incidences of the virus affecting the young sufficiently to require hospital treatment or worse are still very rare. Don't believe everything you see in the news. The news media rely on sensationalism. They never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
My daughter has a work colleague whose wife works in one of the labs involved with the COVID response. 50% of the staff of that lab are refusing to have the vaccination. What is it that they know that we are not being told?

With regards to this Covid business I am being totally selfish in that I have made my decision as to what I am/am not prepared to do.

Each person has different health issues, lifestyles and opinions and whether a person decides to have or not have the vaccination is just that - a personal decision. Doesn't make them any more or any less intelligent/stupid/'burying their head in the sand'.

Just wish some people on this forum would stop insinuating that any opinion other than their own implies that person has not done any research or is of a lower intelligence.

OK, this thread has drifted way off the original thread. Please stick to topics or I will lock the thread.

Covid posts by individuals
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Threads on the Cyprus government vaccination rollout programme and any EU related information items should be posted in th paphos Day 2 Day section. Anything UK related should be posted in the UK News section.

We are all old enough and adult enough to do our own unbiased research and come to our own conclusions / decisions without anyone trying to influence us.


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Moira And Dave

“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”

I agree with that

Getting back to the original reason for this theme, not about vaccines but about fear.
This post is not specifically for the person who said to me "I am not going to attempt to reply to your nonsence!" but to anyone who may wonder why I think this 'pandemic' is being directed worldwide from 'above'. It all starts with the pcr test, or should I say the totally unreliable pcr test, which the original inventor (Kary Mullis who died suddenly during 2019) had already said it was not made nor suitable to be used in an epidemic/pandemic, but is still being used as the gold standard. So it is worth reading the following.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/coronavir ... ygfuAXRyNE

You may have noted the name of Dr Reiner Fuellmich in that text. He is a leading American/German lawyer who was solely responsible in prosecuting the two world famous trials in recent years, one for fraud against Deutsche Bank and the other against Volkswagen also for fraud against their stated false emissions claims. So I think we can accept him as a very credible international lawyer who would not take on anything that risked tainting his professional reputation. So now we come to a video of him being interviewed about his proposed court case of Crimes Against Humanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpOzHHJmy7g

Finally, while gathering evidence to prepare his case (and I have seen a number of similar interviews over the last months) this is one that I think was recorded during the last few days and is (to me) very revealing, but maybe others may not think so, but I think Tanny might like to listen out concerning statements regarding Bill Gates.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=719924545282837

Stop spreading fear then. It is only you referring to that!

Well said

With credit to Migmogs

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Moira And Dave

“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”

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It is not Old Twister who is spreading the fear it is the Puppet Master's puppets who are doing this in the form of main stream media propaganda

Going back to an earlier post I gave an example of this.....just to repeat so as not have search for my post I said:



So here we have a situation where my sister and her kids and grand kids are no longer visiting my parents because the 'project fear' delivered by MSM on behalf of the Government is telling them that if they love them, they must keep away or they may be responsible for 'killing them'. They get cross when they find out that my sons and grand kids visit them and accuse them of not caring. If my sister calls them and my sons/grand kids are vising then my Mum tells everyone to Shushhhh so my sister doesn't find out they are visiting. We refer to my sister as the 'Covid Police'

If this isn't project fear then I don't know what it. Of course my sister and her family loves and cares about my parents, but they have lost the ability to think for themselves and Project Fear has done this.
My parents tell me they are happy that my sons visit and do not want them to stay away. But my father worries he might be 'breaking the law'........This is what project fear has done to a man who all his life has been a good person and now worries if he is allowed to have his family round and worries if he goes out for a bike ride he may bring something home to my Mum who is shielding due to COPD. And before anyone on here wants to say my sons are doing the wrong thing by visiting and my sister and family are doing the right thing.......My parents won't agree with you. Of course it goes without saying that if they are unwell themselves they stay away as that is just common sense.

My 4 year old grandson keeps asking his Mum 'when will all the germs so away' and his school sent a letter home to 'remind them as parents to instill in their children that shouting and boisterous activity must be avoided'.......for goodness sake, what is this 'project fear' doing to them.

Okay, I really can't take these comments seriously as they are in no way based in reality.

I think it is time to move on to other discussions.

Have a lovely weekend folks!

Move on then, don't look at it any more, it's not just for you - as there have been 485 visits to this topic so far, there are many more people benefitting from what has been said, leaving aside the 3 or 4 regulars who continue to make their puirile comments.

Effsie

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To say my above post is not reality is absolutely ridiculous, it is indeed exactly that and how rude of you to suggest otherwise. Ask my parents if how they are feeling is real

And my situation won't be unique, the very same thing will be happening to millions of families throughout the world. No doubt 'Effsie et al' you are in the same camp as my sister and family and believe depriving them of human contact and interaction is in their best interest.

The reality is people are complying with the measures put in place without questioning anything because they are frightened and the main stream media are responsible for ramping up that fear and the powers that be know exactly what they are doing
Like I said in my earlier post, when your grand kids and great grand kids look you in the eye and ask what you did about it, be happy in answering that you did nothing. I will at least tell mine I tried but no one listened.

So far as I can see, it is just the three of you making those comments.

Bye.

Effsie - I didn't think you would have a comment to make on my response to your statement



Because you cannot, because it is a reality

It isn't reality and you are twisting it to suit your argument. I am not questioning how your parents feel, but staying home and isolating is necessary in the fight against this virus.


It is clearly and unequivocally in the best interests of the populus as a whole.


Yes, I am certain that the "powers that be" know what they are doing, based upon the best scientific advice available. Why would I say that I did nothing? I have done everything that has been asked of me individually as part of what is being asked of everyone. Are you really not able to see that you are the one who is only thinking of yourself and is actively trying not to follow the official advice which, by implication, puts everyone else at greater risk? You are very clearly the one who will ultimately have to explain to those around you that you actively chose to do nothing.

For anybody who still doubts the legitimacy of my earlier post above, you might find information in the following link more convincing.

https://covid-19.no/who-insider-blows-w ... s-and-gavi

I anticipate that court cases will start very soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=deskt ... 6YZapUYL_I

A very powerful message. Dr Reiner Fuellmich interviewing a holocaust survivor gathering evidence for his legal action.

If anybody calls me a conspiracy theorist after watching this video, it will say more about them than it says about me!

Yes, you are a conspiracy theorist and have posted a link to a conspiracy theorist video. What it says about me and billions of others is that we are right and you continue to put yourself and those about you at risk.

This quote, from the blurb accompanying the video, kind of tells us all we need to know.

"Her message is extremely powerful and pertinent to today's rising medical fascism, under the guise of a pandemic."

Have a great evening!

No matter what Old Twister or I post on here your response above is typical of you and a few others on here, who refuse to accept that there are many suspicious and non-nonsensical responses and measures to the Covid Pandemic

And to make a statement that I put myself and those about me at risk is a statement you cannot make as you simply don't know me or how I run my life. You have drawn the conclusion that as we do not wish to take the vaccine that therefore implies we don't care about anyone. Yet if you knew me you would know that is far from the truth. And you assume that anyone who chooses to take the vaccine cares about others. What a ridiculous analogy to make.
You also have decided that if a person doesn't want to take the vaccine then they are anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. And that is quite simply an ignorant opinion. What is wrong with making a rational informed decision that these vaccines have not gone through 5 to 10 years worth of trials which is usually common practice and that because they are being rolled out to the public before the trials end that we have decided we don't want to participate.

I have seen first hand the devastating consequences of an adverse reaction to a vaccine - not a sore arm, shivers or aches and pains - but one of irreversible, devastating life-long, consequences. No I have not spoken about it on here and nor should I need to, but I can tell you I am quite fed up with the likes of you, migmogs and poppytim's ignorant attitude to someone who does not want to take the vaccine. And I am insulted and annoyed that you believe I don't care about myself or others because I don't want the vaccine - to each one of you - YOU KNOW NOTHING so don't be so rude

I absolutely have empathy for those who have underlying health conditions and believe thy must therefore take the vaccine. Personally i don't understand that way of thinking, but it is your choice to make but accept it is also mine and others choice not to have the vaccine.

And actually this particular post by Old Twister is about 'Project Fear' and not a debate on the rights or wrongs of peoples choice to take the vaccine. But the certain few on here must turn it into a 'You are selfish and thoughtless for not wanting the vaccine'......and 'You are conspiracy theorists'......because you're trying to say we are '0ne of those lot' - because what else can you say

As I said this post is about Project Fear - and it is a reality not a myth that MSM are ramping up project fear !!

I had hoped this thread would die a natural death but apparently not therefore
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

The Pro & Anti Vaxxers with individual deep set beliefs are never going to agree and since the ‘debate’ has turned into an argument with insults being thrown…ENOUGH!!!

If you don’t want the vaccine……DON’T HAVE IT

If you do want it….… HAVE IT

In either case, we don’t need to know why you want it or don’t want it and certainly don’t need anyone to try to tell us we are wrong in our decision in having it or not having it … We are all old enough and adult enough to do our own unbiased research and come to our own conclusions / decisions without anyone trying to influence us one way or another.
We are all going through a time of stress but we will no longer allow any individuals to posts with the sole purpose to cause unrest on the forum contrary to the forum membership rules..….
We will carefully look at all the posts over the last 2 weeks and any that we find to have broken the forum rules, the member who posted it will initially receive a 6 month ban.
If you try to log on and can’t you have probably been banned and if you feel wrongly so, you will need to send an email to the forum admin [email protected] or email Neil directly.
If you do receive a ban and try to come back onto the forum during the ban period by using a different name…..once you are detected the ban will be for life.

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Moira And Dave

“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”

That's fair enough Dave. Maybe it is time to lock this thread given the last aggressive reply to a post that was made in response to someone else's comment!

Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions. It is just that some of those opinions can be so contentious that this is where we all end up.

My final comment on this thread is that I have had my vaccination and am proud to do my bit to help everyone and I congratulate all those who are following the rules and trying their best to keep everyone safe. It has been a difficult time and many things have changed since this pandemic began as the science has changed and improved and we have bettered our understanding.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel and the more of us who follow the light, the faster we will get there.