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 Post subject: The Queen and the PM
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:29 pm 
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Just seen this on the BBC. Reference the Tower Tragedy

This is the British Monarchy, in action, showing it has learnt from its mistakes of the past.

Mistakes that have included the significant time that elapsed before the Queen visited the site of the Aberfan disaster in the 1960s and the “Show us you care” newspaper headlines that were printed 20 years ago in the days following the death of Diana, Princess of Wales.

As Theresa May is learning to her cost, it is a tragedy with a growing political dimension. There is a howl of pain and anger being directed at an establishment which has the royals at its heart. There’s the talk of the divide between rich and poor. The Queen’s grandson is a millionaire prince living in a palace in the same borough as Grenfell Tower.

In coming to the site, the Queen was acting as “Head of the Nation” – a focal point at a moment of considerable pain. She was also providing her prime minister with a master class in how to respond on such occasions.


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TMs attitude since the election is very odd, weird, strange. Almost like she is under a "gagging order".

To not meet with any of the survivors or their families is just plain rude.


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More frustrating for the families and residents is the very fact that Theresa May has visited the site but only to speak with higher up chief officers rather than the "people" themselves.

It's this which is making her appear cold and callous.

A very strange behaviour indeed and it makes her appear she either has something to hide or is frightened to meet with the general public at all. Bad enough she chose this same route during the lead up to the election, but she's certainly going about things the wrong way and is unlikely to win friends and influence people if she continues in this manner...

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What advice is she being given by her aides, you would have thought that with all the bad press and the election fiasco she should be the first on the scene, she should be kissing backsides to get into peoples good books and raise her profile.
Questions need asking about her, something is wrong.


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Something is wrong indeed!

TMs speed to announce a "public inquiry" is what is wrong.

A public inquiry is government appointed, government led and can drag on for years without any meaningful conclusion.

A "public inquest" on the other hand is an independent inquiry in which family representatives can cross examine, bring in their own witnesses and experts and, most importantly, rules on cause of death from which arrests and prosecutions can be brought.

An inquiry could be a complete cover up.


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That is certainly what Sophie Khan is saying, artlin

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“I’m very concerned as to why Mrs May came out so quickly to say public inquiry. What is there that she knows that needs to be hidden”, Residents should, “really be demanding an INQUEST from the Government”
Sophie Khan, solicitor for the victims of the Lakanal House tower block fire in Camberwell in 2009, says that a public inquiry is NOT the right way to pursue an investigation into the events surrounding the Grenfell Tower fire.
“The right way is INQUESTS. The families have a right to participate ……… the Coroner is independent of the Government. In a public inquiry it is very much Government led, Government controlled, Government outcome”.
When asked, “Do you think it’s an absolutely worked out position that if the Government goes for a public inquiry and NOT an inquest, they will be not subject to the same scrutiny?” Ms Khan said, “YES, that is correct,; because in an inquest they (the Government) lose control ”


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 Post subject: Re: The Queen and the PM
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Sophie Khan is hardly the most balanced commentator. She is a left wing activist using this tragedy to further her own aims. The unfortunate victims are being used as pawns by political agitators who want to use it to get Corbyn's government installed in Westminster. The worrying thing is that they may succeed.

I can guarantee that if May had said she wanted to allow the process to proceed to inquest, then the same agitators would be clamouring for a public inquiry.


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KG wrote:
Sophie Khan is hardly the most balanced commentator. She is a left wing activist using this tragedy to further her own aims. The unfortunate victims are being used as pawns by political agitators who want to use it to get Corbyn's government installed in Westminster. The worrying thing is that they may succeed.

I can guarantee that if May had said she wanted to allow the process to proceed to inquest, then the same agitators would be clamouring for a public inquiry.


:clap exactly!..How people can,t see this is beyond me :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: The Queen and the PM
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KG wrote:
Sophie Khan is hardly the most balanced commentator. She is a left wing activist using this tragedy to further her own aims. The unfortunate victims are being used as pawns by political agitators who want to use it to get Corbyn's government installed in Westminster. The worrying thing is that they may succeed.

I can guarantee that if May had said she wanted to allow the process to proceed to inquest, then the same agitators would be clamouring for a public inquiry.


Absolutely spot on KG, there is a deeply disturbing bias in reporting especially on the BBC, it is almost subversive...another case of the press wanting to make the news....Mrs May seems easy prey and they would have a field day if she resigned...


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Not sure how you are meant to easily express empathy with an agitated and politicised mob screaming blue murder at you about something that you have no direct responsibility for and was a direct result of policy decisions taken as far back as the 1970's ?

This is a horrible incident that will require a massive re- think on all sorts of accumulated problems but the most contemptible people in this mix are those looking to further their own political ends rather than work for a better Britain for all as a result of this catastrophe. It's 50 years of stupidity that has brought this about, not May's 50 weeks


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I spotted a wonderful comment in one of the newspaper comments sections:

A horrible accident takes place and we all run round trying to blame someone.
A terrorist attack takes place and we all run round trying not to blame anyone. :(

How true!


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KG wrote:
Sophie Khan is hardly the most balanced commentator. She is a left wing activist using this tragedy to further her own aims. The unfortunate victims are being used as pawns by political agitators who want to use it to get Corbyn's government installed in Westminster. The worrying thing is that they may succeed.

I can guarantee that if May had said she wanted to allow the process to proceed to inquest, then the same agitators would be clamouring for a public inquiry.

:goodpost :agree

I think the whole bunch of them are beneath contempt for using this tragedy for political point scoring.
Where were they when the last 3 terrorist attacks happened? Busy cosying up to their core supporters.
Compare the dignity and good will publicised in Manchester and London then with Corbyns rent a mob now. Sickening.
The families still waiting to find their loved ones and a roof over their heads are what we care about now and these political numptys need flogging for disrespecting them.


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Ilex wrote:
Not sure how you are meant to easily express empathy with an agitated and politicised mob screaming blue murder at you about something that you have no direct responsibility for and was a direct result of policy decisions taken as far back as the 1970's ?

This is a horrible incident that will require a massive re- think on all sorts of accumulated problems but the most contemptible people in this mix are those looking to further their own political ends rather than work for a better Britain for all as a result of this catastrophe. It's 50 years of stupidity that has brought this about, not May's 50 weeks

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beverley wrote:
Ilex wrote:
Not sure how you are meant to easily express empathy with an agitated and politicised mob screaming blue murder at you about something that you have no direct responsibility for and was a direct result of policy decisions taken as far back as the 1970's ?

This is a horrible incident that will require a massive re- think on all sorts of accumulated problems but the most contemptible people in this mix are those looking to further their own political ends rather than work for a better Britain for all as a result of this catastrophe. It's 50 years of stupidity that has brought this about, not May's 50 weeks

:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

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beverley wrote:
Ilex wrote:
Not sure how you are meant to easily express empathy with an agitated and politicised mob screaming blue murder at you about something that you have no direct responsibility for and was a direct result of policy decisions taken as far back as the 1970's ?

This is a horrible incident that will require a massive re- think on all sorts of accumulated problems but the most contemptible people in this mix are those looking to further their own political ends rather than work for a better Britain for all as a result of this catastrophe. It's 50 years of stupidity that has brought this about, not May's 50 weeks

:clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

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May has just allocated FIVE MILLION POUNDS STERLING to a special fund for all those effected.

the Grenfell Tower tragedy.
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During a meeting with survivors of the fire, she announced a £5 million fund would be made available to pay for emergency supplies, food, clothes and other costs.

The proposals followed a visit by the Prime Minister to Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, where people who had escaped the blaze said they had been left with no possessions or money.

The PM then chaired a meeting of a cross-Whitehall group of senior ministers and officials to agree a full range of help, which she set out to a group of residents, victims, volunteers and community leaders during a visit to the Clement James Centre near Grenfell Tower.

The package includes:

a commitment that victims who lost their homes in the disaster must be rehoused at the earliest possible opportunity and that we should aim to do this within 3 weeks at the latest
a guarantee to rehouse people as close as practically possible to where they previously lived, meaning they can continue to access the same public services, such as their local school or local GP – this rehousing would be in the same borough and, if not, a neighbouring borough
until people are rehoused, the cost of temporary accommodation will be met on their behalf
the government will also provide any necessary financial assistance to families who have been rehoused so children and their parents do not incur any extra costs in travelling to their local school
the new £5 million Grenfell Tower Residents’ Discretionary Fund, made immediately available and given to the local authority to distribute – this could be used to cover loss of possessions, funerals and emergency supplies
confirmation the Treasury will work with banks to ensure that those affected by the disaster who lost possessions like bank cards still have access to their accounts
the Department for Work and Pensions are working with local job centres to ensure that those affected have access to the benefits and pensions they would normally receive

The Prime Minister also gave reassurance to the victims of the fire that they will be consulted on the terms of reference for the upcoming Public Inquiry. This will allow them to help shape the scope of the Inquiry so they can get the answers they are seeking.

The victims and their families will receive state funding for legal representation at the Public Inquiry.

In addition, the PM announced significant central government support to the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea.

It includes sending in a team of experienced central government civil servants from the Department for Communities and Local Government, which has been embedded into the local council to assist with efforts.

The Bellwin scheme has also been activated – meaning that any immediate and uninsurable extra costs incurred by the council in the aftermath of the disaster will be met by the government.

To reassure people living in similar buildings that they are safe in their homes, the PM announced the government is:

checking at speed with local authorities whether all high-rise buildings in their area have complied with recent fire orders, where work has been deemed required following an inspection
identifying all high-rise buildings owned or managed by Housing Associations or Local Authorities and conducting a fire safety review of all buildings similar to Grenfell Tower – the government will also work with the devolved administrations on this issue

Prime Minister Theresa May said:

“The individual stories I heard this morning at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital were horrific. I spoke with people who ran from the fire in only the clothes they were wearing.

“They have been left with nothing – no bank cards, no money, no means of caring for their children or relatives. One woman told me she had escaped in only her top and underwear.

“The package of support I’m announcing today is to give the victims the immediate support they need to care for themselves and for loved ones. We will continue to look at what more needs to be done.

“Everyone affected by this tragedy needs reassurance that the Government is there for them at this terrible time - and that is what I am determined to provide.”

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Thanks for posting this Shania - sounds pretty reasonable to me.


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Some comments seem to 'jump on the band-wagon' of deriding Mrs. May, just as was done to the Queen when H.R.H. Princess Diana died. The Queen's initial responsibility, at that time, was to support and protect her grandchildren.
In this instance, Mrs. May's responsibility was to organise relief and support for those affected by the terrible fire. That would entail dealing with the Institutions able to co-ordinate that work. Just immediately visiting, to empathise with those terribly upset and confused residents, would not get the job done. That was not cowardice ... Just the reality of knowing that remedies are urgently needed to ease the problems of those affected.
The time will come for her to meet and talk to them later, to hear how the help is being rolled out.
Some just do not like the current Government and will do their best to undermine the majority.


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Frankie Boyle has his own take on Mrs May https://inews.co.uk/essentials/culture/television/frankie-boyle-theresa-may/amp/

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So Frankie Boyle (the 'professional' doodoo) has expressed his views Tanny;

"Comparing Mrs May’s grip to power with that of record-breaking rock-climber Alex Honnold on the formidable El Capitan cliff face, Boyle described the Prime Minister as a “monster” for her determination in the face of criticism."

Let's explore the definition of his chosen descriptor, from Wikipaedia;
A monster is any creature, usually found in legends or horror fiction, that is often hideous and may produce fear or physical harm by its appearance or its actions. The word "monster" derives from Latin monstrum, meaning an aberrant occurrence, usually biological, that was taken as a sign that something was wrong within the natural order.[1]

The word usually connotes something wrong or evil; a monster is generally morally objectionable, physically or psychologically hideous, or a freak of nature. It can also be applied figuratively to a person with similar characteristics like a greedy person or a person who does horrible things.

IMHO I'd say this is a more appropriate description of 'the Scottish Harpy' (aka Nicola Sturgeon), than Teresa May.

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I like Frankie Boyle as a comedian, but his political views should really be kept to himself.

For a comedian who has quite mercilessly put the boot into all manner of invalids, unfortunates, diseased and the disaster afflicted in the name of humour to accuse a serious politician (with a workload a lot more onerous than his own) of having "no wit, no warmth, no sincerity and no empathy" is maybe taking things a bit too far (and himself a bit too seriously) ?

Maybe if she cracked a few sick jokes at their expense he might be better able to empathise with her ?


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Some good material here for Frankie's next show

http://www.sickipedia.net/joke/subcateg ... oawnlu6xlw


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