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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 1:00 pm 
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I appreciate that people wish to show their respect and sympathy to those who lost their lives in the bombing by laying flowers etc in memorium but feel all the money spent could have gone to a lasting memorial such as a statue at the arena.


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I appreciate that people wish to show their respect and sympathy to those who lost their lives in the bombing by laying flowers etc in memorium but feel all the money spent could have gone to a lasting memorial such as a statue at the arena.


Or spending the accumulation of silent 'one minutes' time helping in a local charity or care home etc..
Also, donating the cost of flower and candle purchases to local children's wards, the homeless, the needy etc.
(instead of filling the pockets of florists and candle-makers).
All could be done in the memory of the deceased .... but without the necessity of some who just wish to 'be seen' mourning.
A lot more useful to the deceased's family, friends and community.


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It has all become such a media driven circus with people just wanting to get on the telly and the media acting like vultures tracking down young children, school teachers, neighbours etc etc etc to get a story. No dignity or respect being shown to those poor people who lost a loved one. It is alright to hold vigils etc but what about the security services trying to cope with it all. All these holy men suddenly opening arms to mourners most of which never step inside a church. After the initial shock and horror of waking up to this terrible news and shedding a lot of tears for those poor people and their families we had to turn the TV off because it was never ending for days, how much worse for those grieving can it be to be constantly bombarded with harrowing stories and photos etc. Not to mention the complete a holes who posted false claims on social media, sick people.
I do agree that the money spent on flowers etc could be better spent given to a fund to pay towards funerals for the deceased and aftercare for those who survived with terrible injuries.


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Once again the moaners and hypocrits are here. People lay wreathes, flowers and symbols as a sign of respect. They feel good doing it. The one minutes silence was also a deep sign of condolence for all those who died.

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I'm sure society as a whole will pay the "costs" of all this and I'm sure we'll have a memorial that hopefully befits the horror of the attack, but if lots of ordinary people want to buy a bunch of flowers that cost £3.99 at Tesco and lay it somewhere as a mark of respect then I don't see the problem with that :roll:

Granted it won't make a lot of difference in the general scheme of things, but don't knock it


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I believe the "Just Giving" site has raised £1.7million for the victims of the bombing. Whilst I am not a great fan of public outpourings of grief, people handle it in different ways....so why begrudge those that wish to lay a few flowers in respect?


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I believe the "Just Giving" site has raised £1.7million for the victims of the bombing. Whilst I am not a great fan of public outpourings of grief, people handle it in different ways....so why begrudge those that wish to lay a few flowers in respect?

...... but how much are "Just Giving" taking as commission from the amount raised ?????


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I was never saying people should not show their grief/ respect with flowers etc. It is just that flowers fade while a statue/plinth or similar would be a lasting memorial.


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I believe the "Just Giving" site has raised £1.7million for the victims of the bombing. Whilst I am not a great fan of public outpourings of grief, people handle it in different ways....so why begrudge those that wish to lay a few flowers in respect?

...... but how much are "Just Giving" taking as commission from the amount raised ?????



Just giving, from a normal fundraising activity take 5% + a 1.3% card fee.

If a £10 donation is made including Gift Aid, which takes it up to £12.50, then the total amount taken from the charity would be around 0.76p. This includes the website's five per cent fee amounting to 0.63p and a card processing fee, usually at 1.3 per cent or 0.13p

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shania wrote:
Once again the moaners and hypocrits are here. People lay wreathes, flowers and symbols as a sign of respect. They feel good doing it. The one minutes silence was also a deep sign of condolence for all those who died.



So someone expressing an opinion is labelled as a moaner or a hypocrit ?

I believe that it all adds flames to the fire for the bombers and their odious followers who must love every moment of the free publicity.

I paid my respects privately in my own home, i do not want to be on TV being shown laying flowers, lighting candles or observing the silence it does not mean that I am no less devastated for those families.


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beverley wrote:
shania wrote:
Once again the moaners and hypocrits are here. People lay wreathes, flowers and symbols as a sign of respect. They feel good doing it. The one minutes silence was also a deep sign of condolence for all those who died.



So someone expressing an opinion is labelled as a moaner or a hypocrit ?

I believe that it all adds flames to the fire for the bombers and their odious followers who must love every moment of the free publicity.

I paid my respects privately in my own home, i do not want to be on TV being shown laying flowers, lighting candles or observing the silence it does not mean that I am no less devastated for those families.


Beverley .... :agree :goodpost


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Old Twister wrote:
Hudswell wrote:
I believe the "Just Giving" site has raised £1.7million for the victims of the bombing. Whilst I am not a great fan of public outpourings of grief, people handle it in different ways....so why begrudge those that wish to lay a few flowers in respect?

...... but how much are "Just Giving" taking as commission from the amount raised ?????



Just giving, from a normal fundraising activity take 5% + a 1.3% card fee.

If a £10 donation is made including Gift Aid, which takes it up to £12.50, then the total amount taken from the charity would be around 0.76p. This includes the website's five per cent fee amounting to 0.63p and a card processing fee, usually at 1.3 per cent or 0.13p



I did not realise that they charged a fee so 5% of a few million is a tidy profit isn't it? I suppose someone has to administer the funds so there will be a cost to do so. Never think when I donate to these things that all the money doesn't go to whatever charity it is.


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shania wrote:
Once again the moaners and hypocrits are here. People lay wreathes, flowers and symbols as a sign of respect. They feel good doing it. The one minutes silence was also a deep sign of condolence for all those who died.


I agree. People should be allowed to express their grief and sympathy for those who died in their own way, without expecting
to be criticised for it.


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Well said Shania.

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Expressing sympathy and offering to help out families is as noble as you can get.

It's just you need to do that 'as well as' a realistic approach to addressing the problem, and not an 'instead of'

as has happened on every other occasion


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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 10:34 am 
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Expressing sympathy and offering to help out families is as noble as you can get.

It's just you need to do that 'as well as' a realistic approach to addressing the problem, and not an 'instead of'

as has happened on every other occasion

Good post, personally I'm sick and tired of politicians lighting up buildings in the grieving nations colours etc.....they knew this sick scum, why didn't they pick him up, lock him up, get rid of him, before he had the chance to bomb our innocents, for me the politicians are as guilty as him.


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5% is not a lot considering the amount of admin etc that is required...however...in cases like this they often waive their fee and only take the charge from the card companies.

You might be shocked as to how much of your pound actually gets to where it's meant to go...This is an older report but worth reading
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3357458/One-five-UK-s-biggest-charities-spending-half-public-donations-good-causes-spend-little-ONE-CENT-charitable-work.html

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why didn't they pick him up, lock him up, get rid of him, before he had the chance to bomb our innocents, for me the politicians are as guilty as him.
Maybe this is why - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4546934/PETER-OBORNE-MI6-share-blame-jihadis.html


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People show and feel grief in different ways, don't be critical until you've walked a mile in their shoes and experience what they have experienced.


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It's just you need to do that 'as well as' a realistic approach to addressing the problem, and not an 'instead of'
as has happened on every other occasion


Exactly Pete G!
Viewing various buildings 'light painted' in a naff show of unity might make good television, but will never serve to address the situation.
Let's get some practical laws in place to deal with these pyschotic scum, like bringing back capital punishment as a starter for ten for any act classed as terrorism, no grey areas or caveats.

Using the moslem mantra that 'true muslims' don't support this 'cult', how about closing the mosque that a terrorist usually prayed at, if it is found the 'truly religious ones' have not given them up to the authorities?

How about creating internment camps, followed by deportation back to wherever they came from for those suspected of links to terrorist organisations whilst awaiting trial?

How about making sharia law illegal in the UK?

There are surely many things that could be done to make the terrorists & their supporters lives more difficult in the UK, that would result in a safer life for the true brits.

My message to a new government is simple; Get On With It Now!

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zorbathejock wrote:
I appreciate that people wish to show their respect and sympathy to those who lost their lives in the bombing by laying flowers etc in memorium but feel all the money spent could have gone to a lasting memorial such as a statue at the arena.


Or spending the accumulation of silent 'one minutes' time helping in a local charity or care home etc..
Also, donating the cost of flower and candle purchases to local children's wards, the homeless, the needy etc.
(instead of filling the pockets of florists and candle-makers).
All could be done in the memory of the deceased .... but without the necessity of some who just wish to 'be seen' mourning.
A lot more useful to the deceased's family, friends and community.


I can understand to some degree regarding the profiteers, recently when a returning regiments marched through our local town the 'Union Jack' sellers (mini flags on a stick) were out in force. Surely the local 'British Legion' could have done the same and in doing so raised funds.


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5% is not a lot considering the amount of admin etc that is required...however...in cases like this they often waive their fee and only take the charge from the card companies.

You might be shocked as to how much of your pound actually gets to where it's meant to go...This is an older report but worth reading
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3357458/One-five-UK-s-biggest-charities-spending-half-public-donations-good-causes-spend-little-ONE-CENT-charitable-work.html



I have a friend who works for Age UK as an Accountant/Fund Manager.
She gets £50000 p.a. for a 4 day week and drives a BMW 3 series (top of the range) as a company car.

I don't donate to that charity any more. Just to the local Hospice charity who get their shop rent free from the Council and don't pay their volunteers.

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M.A.D wrote:
Beverley

5% is not a lot considering the amount of admin etc that is required...however...in cases like this they often waive their fee and only take the charge from the card companies.

You might be shocked as to how much of your pound actually gets to where it's meant to go...This is an older report but worth reading
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3357458/One-five-UK-s-biggest-charities-spending-half-public-donations-good-causes-spend-little-ONE-CENT-charitable-work.html



I have a friend who works for Age UK as an Accountant/Fund Manager.
She gets £50000 p.a. for a 4 day week and drives a BMW 3 series (top of the range) as a company car.

I don't donate to that charity any more. Just to the local Hospice charity who get their shop rent free from the Council and don't pay their volunteers.

I stopped donating to charities when I found out how much the top 16 staff at a UK charity were paid, it took 300,000 donations of £3 just to pay their salaries.


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It always puzzles me why people expect those working for charities to work for nothing.

Why?

Is someone who is quite capable of earning £50000 a year going to give that up and work for a charity for nothing? Maybe, if they are already a millionaire and can forego that income! Incidentally, £50k is pretty cheap for a top line accountant.

Volunteers rarely come with the skills and qualifications charities need. There is a limit to the number of unqualified positions available in any charity.

That leaves the qualified requirements - accountants, vets, veterinary nurses, doctors, nurses, bookkeepers, animal practitioners, chefs, cooks, mechanics, IT specialists, joiners, builders, plumbers, electricians...............the list is endless, yet the number of those who can afford to work for charities free gratis is minuscule.

Charities have no option but to pay for the specialised input they need. Castigating charities for employing people is futile, they are no different to mainstream companies, they need expertise. And expertise rarely comes free and gratis.

So what's the alternative??


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Well yes it takes an awful lot of skill to buy a pump, and post it to Africa. I'd want £50,000 to do that in fact I'd do it for less, say £49,999.


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That leaves the qualified requirements - accountants, vets, veterinary nurses, doctors, nurses, bookkeepers, animal practitioners, chefs, cooks, mechanics, IT specialists, joiners, builders, plumbers, electricians...............the list is endless, yet the number of those who can afford to work for charities free gratis is minuscule.

To buy and post a pump :smilielol :smilielol :smilielol CEO of UNICEF USA, Caryl Stern is paid $521,820, a year mind you to be all the above I guess Caryl is quite cheap, must have studied for an awful long time. How many animals do they have practice at being?


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I did not realise that they charged a fee so 5% of a few million is a tidy profit isn't it? I suppose someone has to administer the funds so there will be a cost to do so. Never think when I donate to these things that all the money doesn't go to whatever charity it is.


I had a friend who rattled the charity tins outside supermarkets. He got 30% of what went into the tin when it was emptied back at the depot.


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I don't donate to that charity any more. Just to the local Hospice charity who get their shop rent free from the Council and don't pay their volunteers.
I agree about the big earner charities, although on my 70th Birthday we had a party at a local club where many local musicians gave their services, I allowed funds to be raised for a local hospice who supplied the collection cans.
We didn't use the cans until the money had been counted several times the total was rounded up to £500, then it was put into the cans
I received a thank you letter from the hospice thanking me for the £490.25p
Another friend went to their local charity shop and purchased two items, she was charged for both but only the cost of one was on the till receipt.


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Volunteers rarely come with the skills and qualifications charities need.


Tin rattlers wanted for local charity, 5 GCSEs or City and Guilds. :smilielol


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As usual Bassman your inanity speaks for itself.


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As usual Bassman your inanity speaks for itself.
That leaves the qualified requirements - accountants, vets, veterinary nurses, doctors, nurses, bookkeepers, animal practitioners, chefs, cooks, mechanics, IT specialists, joiners, builders, plumbers, electricians...............


Well to be honest you did ask for it, all these to send a pump to Africa :lol:.

I don't give to any charity whilst we have food banks in the UK or homeless veterans etc so my money won't go to paying an electrician to change a light bulb in a £50k a year exec's office or the vet that feeds his hamster.


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It always puzzles me why people expect those working for charities to work for nothing.

Why?

Is someone who is quite capable of earning £50000 a year going to give that up and work for a charity for nothing? Maybe, if they are already a millionaire and can forego that income! Incidentally, £50k is pretty cheap for a top line accountant.

Volunteers rarely come with the skills and qualifications charities need. There is a limit to the number of unqualified positions available in any charity.

That leaves the qualified requirements - accountants, vets, veterinary nurses, doctors, nurses, bookkeepers, animal practitioners, chefs, cooks, mechanics, IT specialists, joiners, builders, plumbers, electricians...............the list is endless, yet the number of those who can afford to work for charities free gratis is minuscule.

Charities have no option but to pay for the specialised input they need. Castigating charities for employing people is futile, they are no different to mainstream companies, they need expertise. And expertise rarely comes free and gratis.

So what's the alternative??



I take exception to your comment regarding the lack of skills of volunteers. I was a volunteer for Age Concern for 3 years and bought many skills to the position. I had life experience and a pensioner myself so was able to speak to vulnerable elderly (that often felt threatened by young university graduates that spoke "by the book" while holding clip board and pen) in their own plain English language. I had common sense and an empathy with old age and the restrictions of ill health and living on a state pension. I was able to learn extra skills that enabled me to fill in forms for them to access extra financial help and home care etc. I manned the phone and directed people to where they would get help and was told by my CEO (£100K a year plus expenses plus pension) that I was an invaluable member of the staff.

I understand the need for people to run charities once they get past the few hundred pound mark as it has to be held accountable for funds etc but also feel that the salaries , expenses and pensions paid are both excessive and obscene.
You ask what is the alternative? I think charities should not even be necessary in a rich country like ours if the government did a proper job in looking after its people and would like to see local charities only on the receiving end of peoples donations. It has become a huge business with very little of peoples pound go to where they intend it to go.
Billions of pounds are raised annually for Cancer research so how come when treatments are discovered are people told they are "too expensive" to be given on the NHS ? Surely we should see something back for all those billions donated?
I give direct to the local Lifeboat station, the Salvation Army and our local hospice so I know that all the money is being used by them.


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I think charities should not even be necessary in a rich country like ours if the government did a proper job in looking after its people....

Beverley, surely you know about budgeting income against expenditure by now? So how do you expect the government to INCREASE its expenditure to cover what charities already do - or perhaps you are prepared to pay a lot more in taxes to make up the shortfall?

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I think charities should not even be necessary in a rich country like ours if the government did a proper job in looking after its people....

Beverley, surely you know about budgeting income against expenditure by now? So how do you expect the government to INCREASE its expenditure to cover what charities already do - or perhaps you are prepared to pay a lot more in taxes to make up the shortfall?



As I do not have sufficient income to pay tax then it doesn't really apply to me does it?

I am well aware of budgeting income against expenditure and what all governments waste makes me weep.

Governments give grants to most big charities to do the work they themselves don't want to be bothered with.


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Beverley I was berating no one, nor was I undermining the skills of any volunteer. I'm a volunteer myself working for an animal charity here. Sadly bassmans silly comments helped no one.

At the end if the day there are specialised requirements in any charity, as in business, and if these cannot be filled through the voluntary sector then they have no choice but to employ people. And when it gets to the very senior roles within the charity they have no option but to pay the market rate, otherwise no one will fulfil a role paying peanuts when they can earn the market rate elsewhere.

As I explained already, the charity for which I volunteer runs a cafe/restaurant - they have to use people with appropriate cooking and hygiene qualifications in a kitchen. They have a veterinary clinic, they simply cannot use anyone without veterinarian qualifications, likewise veterinary nurses. They look after hundreds of animals if differing species - they all require specialist care. If all of these specialist roles are not available through volunteers, what is the alternative to employing people??

The number of volunteers with these specialised skills are rare here in Cyprus, that leaves them with no choice but to employ people.
Though this is true of virtually any charity on earth. Silly comments about posting a pump to Africa are not only pointless they are totally lacking in any truth or facts.

The facts are - charities cannot fulfil their roles without using paid employees and this holds true from the bottom to the top, whether you like it or not. Giving your donations to your local lifeboat station, Salvation Army or hospice does not mean that your donation doesn't contribute to paid salaries, all of these institutions employ people, they have no choice, so any donations they receive will contribute to those salaries.

So all of you refusing to give to charities employing xyz people on xyz rates, what is the alternative for the charities? This subject has come up here on several previous occasions and I've yet to hear or see anyone answering this question.


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Beverley I was berating no one, nor was I undermining the skills of any volunteer. I'm a volunteer myself working for an animal charity here. Sadly bassmans silly comments helped no one.

If you stopped acting so high an mighty maybe the flack would cease.


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PW in Polemi wrote:
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I think charities should not even be necessary in a rich country like ours if the government did a proper job in looking after its people....

Beverley, surely you know about budgeting income against expenditure by now? So how do you expect the government to INCREASE its expenditure to cover what charities already do - or perhaps you are prepared to pay a lot more in taxes to make up the shortfall?


Easy, stop filling Swiss Bank accounts with £Billions of our money in overseas aid every year that achieves so little.
A recently deposed African leader loaded 5 luxury cars onto a military transport when he was kicked out of his country, we give that country aid.
President Zuma of South Africa ( mineral rich country) is reported to be planning a move to an Arab state, he owns a multi million pound private palace complete with elevators, we give Overseas Aid to wealthy corrupt South Africa.
Finally stop high earners Tax Avoidance.
All the above and more cost our country many £Billions every year.


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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:45 pm 
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I think charities should not even be necessary in a rich country like ours if the government did a proper job in looking after its people....


Excellent post Beverly it is an insult giving away £Billions in Overseas Aid when there are so many in need in the UK to add insult to injury next year nothing will have improved because most of the Overseas Aid money is creamed off by corruption.


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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:51 pm 
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Beverley I was berating no one, nor was I undermining the skills of any volunteer. I'm a volunteer myself working for an animal charity here. Sadly bassmans silly comments helped no one.


So George they obviously aren't paying the 'Water Aid' top exec enough because the pumps being sent to Africa are handed over to government officials there instead of being distributed by the phenomenally highly skilled/qualified/very expensive staff you claim that they employ.
The pumps are then sold by local government officials at exorbitant prices to the villagers


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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:27 pm 
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George wrote:
Beverley I was berating no one, nor was I undermining the skills of any volunteer. I'm a volunteer myself working for an animal charity here. Sadly bassmans silly comments helped no one.


So George they obviously aren't paying the 'Water Aid' top exec enough because the pumps being sent to Africa are handed over to government officials there instead of being distributed by the phenomenally highly skilled/qualified/very expensive staff you claim that they employ.
The pumps are then sold by local government officials at exorbitant prices to the villagers


I understand Bassman63's aversion to some aspects of overseas aid, especially when we witness the corruption of 'middle men'.
I, also, understand George's reasoning re. expert staff required by the charity she helps at. I know that organisation (very well) and can confirm that it is not one which Bassman63 or Beverley would have any worry about.
I have not always agreed with some comments by those 3 posters but, in this instance, I can understand their points. :greetings


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"So George they obviously aren't paying the 'Water Aid' top exec enough because the pumps being sent to Africa are handed over to government officials there instead of being distributed by the phenomenally highly skilled/qualified/very expensive staff you claim that they employ.
The pumps are then sold by local government officials at exorbitant prices to the villagers"

Bassman, as usual I have no idea whatsoever what you are ranting about. The thread is now about skills and salaries paid to people working for charities, Albeit it started as a thread on tributes to the Manchester victims. As usual you have posted comments totally unrelated to the topic, out of context and irrelevant. I know nothing about the organisation you are ranting about so will not attempt to answer.

However, some proof of your rants and accusations could be helpful and informative to other members.


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SFD my comments are not just relative to the charity I support, but to virtually every charity on the planet. They have no choice but to employ people, there simply is not the range of necessary skills and qualifications in the voluntary sector.

A point still being missed by many.


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Actually the thread was about what would be a fitting tribute to those killed in Manchester. It appears to have been hijacked into the financial affairs of charities.


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"If you stopped acting so high an mighty maybe the flack would cease." Admin???

Errmmm , what flack is that Bassman, your rants apart that is.


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To be fair Zorba, it only deviated originally regarding the % taken from the fundraising by the JustGiving organisation. Legitimate even if one disagrees with the %.

After that it was the usual suspect methinks.


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I started the thread wondering if the money spent on flowers etc would have been better spent on a permanent memorial. It had nothing to do with charities.


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George wrote:
SFD my comments are not just relative to the charity I support, but to virtually every charity on the planet. They have no choice but to employ people, there simply is not the range of necessary skills and qualifications in the voluntary sector.

A point still being missed by many.


I think that one point was that some charities take a very large amount of donations to pay executives phenomenal salaries ( way above their skills and worth).
Just as I referred to the benefits gained by florists and candle-makers at vigils .... where that money would be of more use to charities and local organisations who will be required to help those affected by the bombing at Manchester.


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Not sure how you deduce that executives working for charities receive salaries way above their skills and worth compared with say business and commerce. Any proof?

I have no idea personally and don't particularly lose sleep over it, but feel it's a tad unfair on charities to slate them in this manner without quoting solid evidence in comparison with business. My retort would be Bliar, Osborne, Kinnock........ The list truly is endless!


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George wrote:
Not sure how you deduce that executives working for charities receive salaries way above their skills and worth compared with say business and commerce. Any proof?

I have no idea personally and don't particularly lose sleep over it, but feel it's a tad unfair on charities to slate them in this manner without quoting solid evidence in comparison with business. My retort would be Bliar, Osborne, Kinnock........ The list truly is endless!


We were not comparing charities with business & commerce .... although some executives and staff are overpaid there, too.
The word 'charity' has a meaning .... to give (not to profit from) !
As regards the 'three stooges' you mentioned ... I do agree.


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I started the thread wondering if the money spent on flowers etc would have been better spent on a permanent memorial. It had nothing to do with charities.


I'm sure that will come - but later down the line....
I don't know what this fixation is for laying down floral tributes, or indeed where it originated from. I have to be honest and say I'm not a fan of it either. We're each capable of sending our private thoughts to the aggrieved parties as individuals without it being a public gesture.

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