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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 7:56 am 
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Just read the BBC newspaper headlines, Tories are thinking of scrapping the winter fuel allowance to pay for care. If you read the actual report it is to stop the selling of homes to pay for care, that said the devil is in the detail lets wait and see.
Both aspects of this are very emotive subjects.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 8:09 am 
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Winter fuel payments will be means tested in futures, the triple lock system droppped, those with a certain amount will contributute tiwards future care needed etc...plus a load more IMO necessary changes.

More news should enravel in about a hour or.

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 8:36 am 
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Quote:- “The prime minister will promise no-one will have to sell their home in their lifetime or that of their surviving partner to fund care.”

After the surviving partner dies, will there be a ‘bill’ presented to the estate?

Quote:- “Theresa May will reject a cap on overall care costs, recommended by an independent commission three years ago, but say no family should see their assets depleted below £100,000 from paying care bills, an increase on the current £23,250 figure.”
“For the first time, the cost of someone's home will be taken into account in the assessment of domiciliary care, as well as residential care, needs and whether they should qualify for state support.”

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 8:56 am 
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Those of us residing here in Cyprus to see out the rest of our days no longer receive WFA whatever our income.
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:37 am 
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WFA should be means tested, as should a lot of other "Universal" Benifits...the Triple lock system is unfair to those putting money into the welfare system....pension rises should be in line with inflation....no more, no less...


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 1:54 pm 
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Lynsab wrote:
Winter fuel payments will be means tested in futures, the triple lock system droppped, those with a certain amount will contributute tiwards future care needed etc...plus a load more IMO necessary changes.

More news should enravel in about a hour or.

But what about the £Billions lost in Tax Avoidance?


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 2:16 pm 
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Amazing, they wouldn't give my wife £40 pw for her to care for her mother as she had a part time job but expected her to do it anyway.
When my Mother in law went into care it cost over £300 pw including trying to charge us for Chiropody that she was actualy entitled to on the NHS.
We would have kept her at home for far less than £300 pw.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:31 pm 
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Amazing, they wouldn't give my wife £40 pw for her to care for her mother as she had a part time job but expected her to do it anyway.
When my Mother in law went into care it cost over £300 pw including trying to charge us for Chiropody that she was actualy entitled to on the NHS.
We would have kept her at home for far less than £300 pw.

That must have been a very long time ago.
You'd be lucky to get two days in a Care Home for that fee now.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 5:01 pm 
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SFD wrote:
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Amazing, they wouldn't give my wife £40 pw for her to care for her mother as she had a part time job but expected her to do it anyway.
When my Mother in law went into care it cost over £300 pw including trying to charge us for Chiropody that she was actualy entitled to on the NHS.
We would have kept her at home for far less than £300 pw.

That must have been a very long time ago.
You'd be lucky to get two days in a Care Home for that fee now.


Dead right SFD. My mother-in-law is in a care home in Scarborough and it costs £660 per week.
Plus extras such as hairdresser, etc. Her State Pension has to be used towards that £660.
What it costs in the more expensive south east I dread to think.
Geoff.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 5:33 pm 
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Now the whole story has emerged from when I openend the thread, the fuel allowance will be withdrawn for the better off, agree with that I do, but who decides if you are better off, what is the criteria for that decision.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 5:38 pm 
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You are WELL out of date John :grin: 10 years ago we were paying a care home £600 pw + extras for my Mother in Law. She was in it for 4 years......i'll let you do the math

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 7:45 pm 
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Maybe governments and the law should consider legalising euthenasia for those that want it instead of being God and denying it. I know that if I ever lose my mind or my faculties and especially control of bodily functions I don't want to be kept alive but no longer "living". I cannot imagine anything more cruel than being forced to suffer the indignity and putting the burden on my loved ones. If it can be done in Switzerland it can be done everywhere with all possible safeguards in place to stop your family " bumping you off " for your money.
That should open a healthy debate.


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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:17 pm 
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Maybe governments and the law should consider legalising euthenasia for those that want it instead of being God and denying it. I know that if I ever lose my mind or my faculties and especially control of bodily functions I don't want to be kept alive but no longer "living". I cannot imagine anything more cruel than being forced to suffer the indignity and putting the burden on my loved ones. If it can be done in Switzerland it can be done everywhere with all possible safeguards in place to stop your family " bumping you off " for your money.
That should open a healthy debate.

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:54 pm 
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geoffreys wrote:
SFD wrote:
Bassman63 wrote:
Amazing, they wouldn't give my wife £40 pw for her to care for her mother as she had a part time job but expected her to do it anyway.
When my Mother in law went into care it cost over £300 pw including trying to charge us for Chiropody that she was actualy entitled to on the NHS.
We would have kept her at home for far less than £300 pw.

That must have been a very long time ago.
You'd be lucky to get two days in a Care Home for that fee now.


Dead right SFD. My mother-in-law is in a care home in Scarborough and it costs £660 per week.
Plus extras such as hairdresser, etc. Her State Pension has to be used towards that £660.
What it costs in the more expensive south east I dread to think.
Geoff.

They also took her attendance allowance.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 12:30 am 
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beverley wrote:
Maybe governments and the law should consider legalising euthenasia for those that want it instead of being God and denying it. I know that if I ever lose my mind or my faculties and especially control of bodily functions I don't want to be kept alive but no longer "living". I cannot imagine anything more cruel than being forced to suffer the indignity and putting the burden on my loved ones. If it can be done in Switzerland it can be done everywhere with all possible safeguards in place to stop your family " bumping you off " for your money.
That should open a healthy debate.

My late mother was admitted to hospital in a comatosed state, the next morning the head of the department told me and my wife that my mother had suffered a massive heart attack and a brain stem stroke and that is she ever came out of the come that she would never be able to eat, drink or speak and be in a vegetative state and asked us what should they do if she went into arrest again, we agreed not to resuscitate, the next day another doctor told us that very often pneumonia sets in and if it did should they fight it once again don't fight it.
The following week on a visit I put my hand on her forehead, she looked up at me and said "John Where Am I"? obviously we demanded to see the medical staff who denied all that they'd told us, she lived another eight years and did her own shopping.
This is perfectly true.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 2:43 pm 
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Now the whole story has emerged from when I openend the thread, the fuel allowance will be withdrawn for the better off, agree with that I do, but who decides if you are better off, what is the criteria for that decision.


Taking the winter fuel allowance off the "better off" That's surprising coming of a conservative.I would have thought that would be a socialist trick....Whats a true socialist? them who,s got nowt and wants everyboby else to have the same. ;)


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 3:51 pm 
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Bassman63 wrote:
beverley wrote:
Maybe governments and the law should consider legalising euthenasia for those that want it instead of being God and denying it. I know that if I ever lose my mind or my faculties and especially control of bodily functions I don't want to be kept alive but no longer "living". I cannot imagine anything more cruel than being forced to suffer the indignity and putting the burden on my loved ones. If it can be done in Switzerland it can be done everywhere with all possible safeguards in place to stop your family " bumping you off " for your money.
That should open a healthy debate.

My late mother was admitted to hospital in a comatosed state, the next morning the head of the department told me and my wife that my mother had suffered a massive heart attack and a brain stem stroke and that is she ever came out of the come that she would never be able to eat, drink or speak and be in a vegetative state and asked us what should they do if she went into arrest again, we agreed not to resuscitate, the next day another doctor told us that very often pneumonia sets in and if it did should they fight it once again don't fight it.
The following week on a visit I put my hand on her forehead, she looked up at me and said "John Where Am I"? obviously we demanded to see the medical staff who denied all that they'd told us, she lived another eight years and did her own shopping.
This is perfectly true.




What a great end to a terrible beginning for your Mother and it is not the first story I have known happen like this.
My post was regarding the person themselves having the right to choose,not the family of someone in a coma. Different scenario altogether.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 8:40 pm 
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You are WELL out of date John :grin: 10 years ago we were paying a care home £600 pw + extras for my Mother in Law. She was in it for 4 years......i'll let you do the math


I can only write what it was when we experienced it. They paid a chiropodist a fixed fee of x number of pounds and charged the inmates on top of their care fees, I put a stop to this as my late mother in law was receiving chiropody treatment on the NHS prior to her entering the care home.


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