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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... n-10163355

Sarin is reportedly SO DANGEROUS the Nazis wouldn't use it! How can any country be an ally to (and therefore condone) such a monster nation?!!

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I think Assad's days are numbered .


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It comes as no surprise- back in 2013 Assad launched a similar attack killing an estimated 1400.

The West's failure to intervene then left the door open for Russia and Iran to step in on the side of Assad, and it appears he is now firmly back in control.

As long as Assad rules in Syria here will be no end to the Syrian civil war, the consequences of which are being reaped in Europe and now it seems Russia ?


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The American UN Ambassador challenged the Russians yesterday to intervene and stop Assad, but instead some pretty pathetic excuses were rolled out....Russia need to step up to the mark.and stop these atrocities and Assad needs to be brought to account.


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Assad the chinless wonder really does need sorting out once and for all.... Most definitely.

Russia must be either making a hell of a lot of dosh out of this conflict or have been promised the earth over something else....

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Russians said that the rebels had bombed a warehouse and the gas escaped.
If that was true, what was it doing in a warehouse in the first place?

Shocking.

Time for a major diplomatic embargo on Assad's regime.
Not economic as that just hurts the people.

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As the UN cannot/will not do anything for whatever reason why should individual nations take it upon themselves to try and resolve the situation?

That has been tried all over the Middle East and a few African countries and only seemly made the situation worse?

Why does the War Crimes Court only take action so many years after the event rather than getting in the country when it is happening and take the offender(s) to court thus going someway to resolving the crimes and deaths.

Are any of the 'sides' in Syria innocent of crimes?


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Truly sad and shocking events


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As the UN cannot/will not do anything for whatever reason why should individual nations take it upon themselves to try and resolve the situation?

That has been tried all over the Middle East and a few African countries and only seemly made the situation worse?

Why does the War Crimes Court only take action so many years after the event rather than getting in the country when it is happening and take the offender(s) to court thus going someway to resolving the crimes and deaths.

Are any of the 'sides' in Syria innocent of crimes?



And there you have the "Rub" you are dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.....anyone who doesn't think that this same situation would not have happened if coalition troops had not deployed into Iraq or Afgan is quite simply deluded....this is what happens when dictatorships are left unchecked...the UN is a useless organisation and quite incapable o solving the Syfia situation. Assad will murder more of his people with any means at his disposal.


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always 2 sides to the story .....
russia will never let the west remove Assad,
it is very Geopolitical , it has been for years ,
mamny are saying the attack was a false flag.
russia and syria both deny being involved...

to many BBC watchers on here.

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always 2 sides to the story .....
russia will never let the west remove Assad,
it is very Geopolitical , it has been for years ,
mamny are saying the attack was a false flag.
russia and syria both deny being involved...

to many BBC watchers on here.


Well said!

It is hard to go against the majority but you did just that... Top man!

People need to think about the timing and the reasoning behind this.

Avoid the MSM and look at some of the pictures of the scenes of this supposed chemical attack. It simply doesn't make sense...

We are talking WMD all over again and the public (who now loathe Blair for taking us to war on a lie) are lapping it up... :roll:


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CyprusGrump wrote:
Neil wrote:
always 2 sides to the story .....
russia will never let the west remove Assad,
it is very Geopolitical , it has been for years ,
mamny are saying the attack was a false flag.
russia and syria both deny being involved...

to many BBC watchers on here.


Well said!

It is hard to go against the majority but you did just that... Top man!

People need to think about the timing and the reasoning behind this.

Avoid the MSM and look at some of the pictures of the scenes of this supposed chemical attack. It simply doesn't make sense...

We are talking WMD all over again and the public (who now loathe Blair for taking us to war on a lie) are lapping it up... :roll:



Does no one ever bother to question why?? ...
Why would anyone want to use such weapons against there own citizens ..
why ? why ? why? ..
there is no answer , there is no reason , its just our propaganda leaders trying to make a good excuse
to try and remove an elected leader from a country because he wont play the wests game ..

Then they will want to send in troops to topple him , then The ruskies will kick off with us ,
then the yanks will try to drag Nato into it , then the chinese will help the ruskies ,, then we have a another massive war
and the arms industry are coining it in , and we have lots of young lads used as cannon fodder for no reason ..
Wake up guys ..
I cant believe so many people get sucked into this rubbish ..

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Neil wrote:
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Neil wrote:
always 2 sides to the story .....
russia will never let the west remove Assad,
it is very Geopolitical , it has been for years ,
mamny are saying the attack was a false flag.
russia and syria both deny being involved...

to many BBC watchers on here.


Well said!

It is hard to go against the majority but you did just that... Top man!

People need to think about the timing and the reasoning behind this.

Avoid the MSM and look at some of the pictures of the scenes of this supposed chemical attack. It simply doesn't make sense...

We are talking WMD all over again and the public (who now loathe Blair for taking us to war on a lie) are lapping it up... :roll:



Does no one ever bother to question why?? ...
Why would anyone want to use such weapons against there own citizens ..
why ? why ? why? ..
there is no answer , there is no reason , its just our propaganda leaders trying to make a good excuse
to try and remove an elected leader from a country because he wont play the wests game ..

Then they will want to send in troops to topple him , then The ruskies will kick off with us ,
then the yanks will try to drag Nato into it , then the chinese will help the ruskies ,, then we have a another massive war
and the arms industry are coining it in , and we have lots of young lads used as cannon fodder for no reason ..
Wake up guys ..
I cant believe so many people get sucked into this rubbish ..


Precisely!

1) The war is won.
2) There is a conference.
3 >>> infinity) Just look at the convenient pictures in the media!

Remember this is supposedly a deadly gas attack - nobody would go within 5 miles of the place without a complete NBC suit yet there are pictures of people helping the victims without even gloves on?


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It comes as no surprise- back in 2013 Assad launched a similar attack killing an estimated 1400.



Assad didn't use chemical weapons in 2013. It was proven by the UN that the 'Opposition Rebels' committed the atrocity.

Syria: UN Mission Report Confirms that “Opposition” Rebels Used Chemical Weapons against Civilians and Government Forces.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-un-m ... es/5363139


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Syria war: US launches missile strikes following chemical 'attack'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39523654

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Thank God someone had the balls to do it - I don't like Trump's style and he is a loose cannon BUT he's less full of hot air than many others in power!

http://news.sky.com/story/united-states ... a-10827993

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"Remember this is supposedly a deadly gas attack - nobody would go within 5 miles of the place without a complete NBC suit yet there are pictures of people helping the victims without even gloves on?"

In an ideal world you are correct, however, if you are a medic trying to save the lives of people after an apparent chemical attack and you don’t have a full NBC suit or fullers earth or respirators or a decontamination unit and all you have is a surgical mask……..what options do you have?

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The speed between the 'gas attack' and the USA reprisals has been swift. It feels to me that for the interests of the USA/West a groundswell of negative public opinion has been created against Assad (I do not suggest he is either nice or innocent) and any excuse (false flag or other) has allowed the USA to commence its own strategic motions.

Even the UN has no idea what is going on http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/

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Tanny:- That link is from the 2013 attack

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Although an older link it shows that much of the situation is stage managed for effect and sadly its innocent people who are again the pawns.

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it also worries me that the USA has again attacked another country
without any backing from the UN security council , this is against all the rules.

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This a heated response from USA
What happened to talks and negotiations first?

Frightening times
And for the first time...I feel too close in Cyprus


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just another removal of an elected leader
who wont make way for american backed oil pipelines.
nothing to do with dictators ,
What country unilatareley attacks another country without first
consulting its people let alone the worlds governing body the UN security council,
america is more of a dictator than anyone ...
Anyone who stands by them are just as bad ..

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I am sorry but I really cannot believe some of the comments coming out here. Assad is pure evil and has lost all right to lead his country, he should be removed from power and tried for the war criminal he is. I suspect Mr Putin is livid that Assad authorised Chemical attacks, a weapon of Mass Destruction, on his own people and hopefully behind the facade of support for the Syrian Government, is taking action.


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just another removal of an elected leader
who wont make way for american backed oil pipelines.
nothing to do with dictators ,
What country unilatareley attacks another country without first
consulting its people let alone the worlds governing body the UN security council,
america is more of a dictator than anyone ...
Anyone who stands by them are just as bad ..


Spot on, Neil.


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The UN should have been consulted first
Trump rules with his heart and not his head

We now all know that he will strike first and ask questions seccond
God help us all, as he has his guns focused on a few places around the world

Worrying times


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MM, the UN had a debate remember.....and they choose, as always, to do nothing. Yes it a very frightening time we live in...made more dangerous by the likes of Assad.


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Neil wrote:
.......What country unilatareley attacks another country without first
consulting its people let alone the worlds governing body the UN security council, ...
Anyone who stands by them are just as bad ..


Ermm!! Russia: Georgia, Ukraine, Crimea, Moldova springs to mind.

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Don't Jim, convienent "truths" are usually ignored. I actually feel sickened that there are those who are willing to give a degree of succour or indeed justification to this evil.


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Jim B wrote:
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.......What country unilatareley attacks another country without first
consulting its people let alone the worlds governing body the UN security council, ...
Anyone who stands by them are just as bad ..


Ermm!! Russia: Georgia, Ukraine, Crimea, Moldova springs to mind.

Jim


all of the above were first put to the Duma before they took action,
except georgia , as it was a rush job, as the georgians were killing
the international peace keepers , the russian forces pushed them all the way back to tiblisi, then left,
taking all the american supplied weapons with them...
Crimea even held a referendum before
moving back to russia ,


It is nice to see that I am not the only one that can see through this charade..
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always 2 sides to the story .....
russia will never let the west remove Assad,
it is very Geopolitical , it has been for years ,
mamny are saying the attack was a false flag.
russia and syria both deny being involved...

to many BBC watchers on here.


Well said, thank Goodness there are still people, that dont believe everything we are fed by the biased BBC.....has everyone forgotten the War criminal Tony Blairs lies. :roll:


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Instead of being blinkered and believing eveything you see on the BBC
or read in the sun , why not read about it from another angle ..
you may be surprised ..

Russia are now saying they will shoot down americans
if they fly over syria..

https://www.rt.com/news/383837-russia-syria-flight-safety/

or ..

https://www.rt.com/

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The first victim in any war is the truth, and America was ridiculously quick to blame Assad for this outrage - long before there has been the opportunity for a proper investigation. America is also claiming that the chemical agent was sarin - which clearly it isn't, or there would have been deaths among those handling the victims. Sarin is a very dangerous nerve agent that passes on skin contact and the percentage of deaths would have been higher. Not even Turkey, which has its own axe to grind, and whose pathologists have examined some of the victims, is claiming it to be sarin.

The Americans have an agenda in Syria. It was they who funded, armed and trained the Al Qaeda affiliated 'rebels' to usurp Assad, whose country enjoyed religious tolerance and a safe place for Christans to practice their religion. Fundamentalist Islamists have put an end to that. Assad did not (and still does not) figure in America's aims for the region.

Then there is the incident itself. There is strong evidence that previous uses of chemical weapons were perpetrated by the rebel forces. In this instance, what did Assad have to gain? He is winning the war with Russian help. The use of such a weapon would have exactly the reaction that this incident has caused. People rush to conclusion based upon propaganda and vested interests, and there are no end of those here.

Who has most to gain? Clearly that is the Islamists. It is not at all unreasonable to suppose that they would detonate a chemical weapon, during a pre-announced air raid, to put the blame on Assad and to produce a reaction from the West. The Islamists have no respect whatsoever for human life. A group of people willing to use children as walking bombs, to burn prisoners in cages, and to cut the heads off aid workers, so that they can show it on social media, would not be averse to killing the civilians they are happy to use as human shields, for political gain.

The Russian explanation of hitting an arms dump that conatined a rebel cache of chemicals is also a reasonable one - but no-one has checked to find out. The world is relying on armchair experts and people who have a dog in the fight to decide who was responsible.

Frankly I am disappointed that Trump took such precipitous action before the investigations are complete. And how did bombing an airfield with (according to the Mayor of Homs) yet more civilians killed, help the situation? It is more likely to result in an escalation of violence and, heaven forbid, military confrontation with Russia.

If Assad was responsible, and I don't know (or claim) that he wasn't, any more than any of the other commentators 'know' that he was, then surely a proper independent investigation should come first?

Those who clamour for more intervention should ask themselves how is bombing, burning and crushing civilians to death under buildings any worse than gassing them? They are still dead or maimed. America has a lot of blood on its hands already and has achieved little from it other than the destruction of several countries.

This is a civil war. We should be sure of what we are getting into before we add to the death toll. The time to call people to account for atrocities will come later. Knee jerk reactions don't help at all. As it is, the main outcome of this show of 'strength' has been to consolidate Russian support for Assad to cancel the agreement they had with America for safe patrolling of the skies and an increase in the Syrian air defence capability. This has raised the stakes for a gesture.


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The first victim in any war is the truth, and America was ridiculously quick to blame Assad for this outrage - long before there has been the opportunity for a proper investigation. America is also claiming that the chemical agent was sarin - which clearly it isn't, or there would have been deaths among those handling the victims. Sarin is a very dangerous nerve agent that passes on skin contact and the percentage of deaths would have been higher. Not even Turkey, which has its own axe to grind, and whose pathologists have examined some of the victims, is claiming it to be sarin.

The Americans have an agenda in Syria. It was they who funded, armed and trained the Al Qaeda affiliated 'rebels' to usurp Assad, whose country enjoyed religious tolerance and a safe place for Christans to practice their religion. Fundamentalist Islamists have put an end to that. Assad did not (and still does not) figure in America's aims for the region.

Then there is the incident itself. There is strong evidence that previous uses of chemical weapons were perpetrated by the rebel forces. In this instance, what did Assad have to gain? He is winning the war with Russian help. The use of such a weapon would have exactly the reaction that this incident has caused. People rush to conclusion based upon propaganda and vested interests, and there are no end of those here.

Who has most to gain? Clearly that is the Islamists. It is not at all unreasonable to suppose that they would detonate a chemical weapon, during a pre-announced air raid, to put the blame on Assad and to produce a reaction from the West. The Islamists have no respect whatsoever for human life. A group of people willing to use children as walking bombs, to burn prisoners in cages, and to cut the heads off aid workers, so that they can show it on social media, would not be averse to killing the civilians they are happy to use as human shields, for political gain.

The Russian explanation of hitting an arms dump that conatined a rebel cache of chemicals is also a reasonable one - but no-one has checked to find out. The world is relying on armchair experts and people who have a dog in the fight to decide who was responsible.

Frankly I am disappointed that Trump took such precipitous action before the investigations are complete. And how did bombing an airfield with (according to the Mayor of Homs) yet more civilians killed, help the situation? It is more likely to result in an escalation of violence and, heaven forbid, military confrontation with Russia.

If Assad was responsible, and I don't know (or claim) that he wasn't, any more than any of the other commentators 'know' that he was, then surely a proper independent investigation should come first?

Those who clamour for more intervention should ask themselves how is bombing, burning and crushing civilians to death under buildings any worse than gassing them? They are still dead or maimed. America has a lot of blood on its hands already and has achieved little from it other than the destruction of several countries.

This is a civil war. We should be sure of what we are getting into before we add to the death toll. The time to call people to account for atrocities will come later. Knee jerk reactions don't help at all. As it is, the main outcome of this show of 'strength' has been to consolidate Russian support for Assad to cancel the agreement they had with America for safe patrolling of the skies and an increase in the Syrian air defence capability. This has raised the stakes for a gesture.

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The first victim in any war is the truth, and America was ridiculously quick to blame Assad for this outrage - long before there has been the opportunity for a proper investigation. America is also claiming that the chemical agent was sarin - which clearly it isn't, or there would have been deaths among those handling the victims. Sarin is a very dangerous nerve agent that passes on skin contact and the percentage of deaths would have been higher. Not even Turkey, which has its own axe to grind, and whose pathologists have examined some of the victims, is claiming it to be sarin.

The Americans have an agenda in Syria. It was they who funded, armed and trained the Al Qaeda affiliated 'rebels' to usurp Assad, whose country enjoyed religious tolerance and a safe place for Christans to practice their religion. Fundamentalist Islamists have put an end to that. Assad did not (and still does not) figure in America's aims for the region.

Then there is the incident itself. There is strong evidence that previous uses of chemical weapons were perpetrated by the rebel forces. In this instance, what did Assad have to gain? He is winning the war with Russian help. The use of such a weapon would have exactly the reaction that this incident has caused. People rush to conclusion based upon propaganda and vested interests, and there are no end of those here.

Who has most to gain? Clearly that is the Islamists. It is not at all unreasonable to suppose that they would detonate a chemical weapon, during a pre-announced air raid, to put the blame on Assad and to produce a reaction from the West. The Islamists have no respect whatsoever for human life. A group of people willing to use children as walking bombs, to burn prisoners in cages, and to cut the heads off aid workers, so that they can show it on social media, would not be averse to killing the civilians they are happy to use as human shields, for political gain.

The Russian explanation of hitting an arms dump that conatined a rebel cache of chemicals is also a reasonable one - but no-one has checked to find out. The world is relying on armchair experts and people who have a dog in the fight to decide who was responsible.

Frankly I am disappointed that Trump took such precipitous action before the investigations are complete. And how did bombing an airfield with (according to the Mayor of Homs) yet more civilians killed, help the situation? It is more likely to result in an escalation of violence and, heaven forbid, military confrontation with Russia.

If Assad was responsible, and I don't know (or claim) that he wasn't, any more than any of the other commentators 'know' that he was, then surely a proper independent investigation should come first?

Those who clamour for more intervention should ask themselves how is bombing, burning and crushing civilians to death under buildings any worse than gassing them? They are still dead or maimed. America has a lot of blood on its hands already and has achieved little from it other than the destruction of several countries.

This is a civil war. We should be sure of what we are getting into before we add to the death toll. The time to call people to account for atrocities will come later. Knee jerk reactions don't help at all. As it is, the main outcome of this show of 'strength' has been to consolidate Russian support for Assad to cancel the agreement they had with America for safe patrolling of the skies and an increase in the Syrian air defence capability. This has raised the stakes for a gesture.


An excellent, well reasoned post! Thank you!


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This is well worth a listen to
And gives another side to the atrocities that happened in Syria

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ry78O40Wc0

What ever and who ever was to blame...innocent children and people got seriously hurt
Terrible


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Watched it, and sorry if anyone has an agenda this man has....KG a well written and well reasoned post, my problem with it is that the reasoning is wrong. Assad is not mad, he is evil, he thought he had Got away with his last chemical attack, Obama failed in his response to its use...Trump, and I do not like the man hasn't. Sometimes you just have to react, this reaction was not a knee jerk reaction, it would have been based on solid evidence, which we will never be privy to, waiting for a full and comprehensive investigation? By who exactly? And how long would that take? I imagine Putin is frothing at the mouth over Assads actions, but he can't really show,that can he?
I do not usually agree with Piers Morgan, but this time he has got it right, an article from the DM which contains some very graphic images.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Assad.html


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KG an excellent thought proving answer

Below from a British reporter Tom Dugan who is living in Damascus and not sat in an office in UK like Pierce Morgan

Know who I believe first!

And it is NOT sensationalist , propaganda uk news

But just another side of the story

You need to scroll down her page to find uk journalist Tom Duggans report.

Sadly I do not know how to just put his report on , on it,s own....the report is dated 5th April and is well worth scrolling through her posts to listen to Tom Dugan as he knows what he is talking about and living in Syria every day of his life

https://www.facebook.com/hanin.elias?pnref=story


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:16 pm 
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Watched it, and sorry if anyone has an agenda this man has....KG a well written and well reasoned post, my problem with it is that the reasoning is wrong. Assad is not mad, he is evil, he thought he had Got away with his last chemical attack, Obama failed in his response to its use...Trump, and I do not like the man hasn't. Sometimes you just have to react, this reaction was not a knee jerk reaction, it would have been based on solid evidence, which we will never be privy to, waiting for a full and comprehensive investigation? By who exactly? And how long would that take? I imagine Putin is frothing at the mouth over Assads actions, but he can't really show,that can he?
I do not usually agree with Piers Morgan, but this time he has got it right, an article from the DM which contains some very graphic images.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Assad.html

Piers Morgan, I thought April Fools day had passed...the mans a prize Idiot.


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Just to muddy the water, I hear from Sky News this morning, that reports are appearing from Middle East sources, that Saudi Arabia funded Trump's gesture. How magnanimous of them. I think Trump has been played by the forces of globalist capital. I had hoped he would be better than that. I can imagine the crackpot McCain wanting to kill us all, even Hillary, but Trump? It is not what he stood for.

I wonder if the 9 civilians killed in the strike (you won't hear much about them on the BBC/Sky) are any less dead than the victims of the gas?

Some folks obviously feel better now that Trump has 'done something' - even if that something has been to make the situation worse. Is greater confrontation with Russia really desirable?


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I do of course feel for the 9 civilians, including children if I understand rightly, on a military airbase in the early hours of the morning....who were killed...and if you really think the west should roll over and accept the atrocities being carried out...supported by Russia...then I am sorry, but your precious lifestyle may indeed be disrupted...and yes from a moral standpoint I do believe we have a responsibility...cackle all you like...some truely heartless people, apologists...as I said I just hope you can sleep well.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:27 pm 
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I do of course feel for the 9 civilians, including children if I understand rightly, on a military airbase in the early hours of the morning....who were killed...and if you really think the west should roll over and accept the atrocities being carried out...supported by Russia...then I am sorry, but your precious lifestyle may indeed be disrupted...and yes from a moral standpoint I do believe we have a responsibility...cackle all you like...some truely heartless people, apologists...as I said I just hope you can sleep well.

Just who appointed you the forums moral conscious? Yes I sleep very well thanks, just like I imagine many more on here who dont agree with you. :roll:


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I suppose it is the way I have been brought up...lived my life and served my country....we all make choices...some right some wrong...no one has ever appointed me for anything...I have always earned that right. I care not if anyone agrees or disagrees, I have a point of view, mind is based on experience...it may differ from some but that is what discussion is all about.


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I suppose it is the way I have been brought up...lived my life and served my country....we all make choices...some right some wrong...no one has ever appointed me for anything...I have always earned that right. I care not if anyone agrees or disagrees, I have a point of view, mind is based on experience...it may differ from some but that is what discussion is all about.

You haven't earned the right to claim you have the moral high ground and the others that dont agree with you, have trouble sleeping at night.


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KG a well written and well reasoned post, my problem with it is that the reasoning is wrong.
How can pointing out inconsistencies in a narrative be wrong? You need to look at the bigger picture. There is always a bigger picture. If you don't accept my reasoning then how about someone with a bigger platform - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4394216/PETER-HITCHENS-noble-cause-Bombs-Al-Qaeda.html?


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I find a lot of people to be blinkered ,
I was until I started to question what I was being fed , lots of things just did not add up
so I started to look at other sources of media as the rosey BBC was just to rosey for me..
its very sad , but we are controled by media moguls ,,

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Neil, I always research numerous news feeds and am always open minded in regard to the ""truth" and from experience know that fact can be interpreted in a number of ways...but I am also confident that a number of international intelligence gathering agencies will have been involved in deducting that Assad indeed authorised this strike...the US will present the evidence to Russia, if they listen that is a different matter..


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