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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:20 am 
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Looking for max long stay here I'm considering get Visa F. From monetary side F is more expensive then just extend PS each year. But I feel it's not just one caveat...

Could you please share your knowledge - all Pro&Contra of both approaches ?


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Are you not an European Union national?
If you are, the yellow slip MEU1 is all you need - although after 5 years you can apply for the MEU3a which gives you the same permanent rights as a Cypriot apart from voting in national elections and serving in the police or defence force.


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Nope, US citizen, hence used a word "pink".


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Nope, US citizen, hence used a word "pink".


They were also pink for Brits before & during the EU transition period. Still lots of Brits who just don't bother with the yellow MEU1. So by saying "pink" it could have been any.

Unfortunately there are not that many non Europeans on the forum - most that are are partners/wives of EU nationals.
I doubt you will get any sense from Paphos immigration either (load of xenophobes), you could try the Citizens Centre.


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Have to disagree there Dave. I have always found Immigration very helpful. Sergio, you might want to try your embassy in Nicosia who should know the details.

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Have to disagree there Dave. I have always found Immigration very helpful. .


You must be going to a different immigration office - ask Neil, he regularly used to get thrown out. :huff

I am glad I never have to go near the place again - took me 9 months of letters and forms to get my permanent residency and my wife who is more european than I, got refused - till she complained to the Ombudsman & European Commission.

The MEU1 yellow registrations are comparatively easy, whereas permanent residency MEU3a (an EU right after 5 years in Cyprus) is the most difficult thing to obtain and it should be easy. Immigration make proving you have been here 5 years into a saga and whatever you produce as proof is never good enough. In my case they initially refused a 6 year social security contribution record by claiming I could have been anywhere in the world while paying Cypriot social security. Nicosia Immigration take 12 - 16 weeks to even reply to a letter. :tickedoff

So Joseph I guess it rather depends on what you went to immigration for. :roll:


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What is the advantage of having a MEU3a over a MEU1?
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In my case, I could renew my pink slip for e70 each year, if I will obtain F visa, it will cost me e427 for 5 years.
Here are a couple technical questions:
- is there a limit of renewals the pink slip ?
- F visa: what means verbiage "shall be automatically renewable upon application" (taken from MLT1 form, on last page of it) - should I pay e427 each 5 years ?


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What is the advantage of having a MEU3a over a MEU1?
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An MEU1 is a registration document that you an EU national have arrived in another EU country and registered your legal presence.

An MEU3a is the proof you have completed a period of 5 years in that country and must be considered a permanent resident. A permanent resident cannot be asked for or compelled to have any different requirements from a national of the the country you are now living in. Private health insurance is one example, being able to leave for 2 years without loss of rights is another example. Electricity Authority and others have had various offers and schemes only open to Cypriots and permanent residents. They can do this quite legally under EU law without discrimination.
Brits position if UK leaves the EU is another consideration.

While just living in Cyprus for 5 years is technically sufficient - proving it is another. Although my wife holds a full EU passport it took her from Nov 13 to Feb 15 to actually prove this fact to immigrations satisfaction.

See details http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/ ... 152_en.htm


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Have to disagree there Dave. I have always found Immigration very helpful. Sergio, you might want to try your embassy in Nicosia who should know the details.


Ditto!

Very helpful, very friendly.

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Thanks Dave. Interesting.
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I'm hope there's people who could share their knowledge regarding the topic...


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Polemi Dave wrote:
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Have to disagree there Dave. I have always found Immigration very helpful. .


You must be going to a different immigration office - ask Neil, he regularly used to get thrown out. :huff

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A friend of mine who has had dealings across the Middle East ( I include Cyprus in that) Says whenever he goes to a Government office he takes a good book and prepares to stay all day. He said he used to watch Brits getting irate about waiting and getting put to the bottom of the list!
He said that eventually they get fed up of seeing you sitting there and deal with your issue.

Moral of the story: Don't get flustered and just stay calm.

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That's nice to laugh sometimes, but I'm really need a real knowledge, but bringing down the thread ...


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Sergio wrote:
That's nice to laugh sometimes, but I'm really need a real knowledge, but bringing down the thread ...


Trouble is Sergio once you start a thread you can never know where it is going. :greetings

Most applicants to immigration (on this forum) are the retired/pension income/house owning Brits. Generally they have all the right documents and as we have seen go way from immigration thinking "Very helpful, very friendly".

However if you don't fit into the mould they are trained to deal with, then that "helpful" ceases to be the case. The reasons for this is Cyprus civil servants are positively discouraged from taking initiative - in case they get it wrong. Also the rules or rather the interpretation of same changes almost weekly - often because they get in the bad books of the European Commission for not following directives, and make then the fudge worse by covering up their mistake or trying to put it right, while not losing the Greek face. Have you never heard the expression here "they make it up as they go along".

In your case, they just won't have seen that many US citizens and will be totally unaware of any US-Cyprus immigration treaties or agreement. Chances you will receive different advice with every civil servant you see and possibly different requirements between district offices. No one will take responsibility for any advice in the Paphos office for sure - even buying the toilet paper is done in Nicosia!
You are lucky enough to have a full US Embassy in Nicosia, they are to people who will put you on the right path. http://cyprus.usembassy.gov/


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Thanks Dave.
Seems to me F visa is more convenient - the price is practically the same, no need to fill papers each year.


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Here is follow up - non-EU citizen taking an extension of "pink" slip (to be an ID card starting this year).

After filling all papers and passing immigration officer's interview/review and waiting 3 (three) months, getting a letter from Nicosia office.
Nice and short - in Greek ! Means totally unreadable for me.

Well, what would be easy to stop by at Paphos office and clarify what is there? Sure, it was a letter stating: missed required this year a new 10 years bank guarantee letter. Wasn't a purpose of that September's interview/review to check it also ?!

OK, going to Helenic branch - WTH ? The bank is charging e130 for make it, eg I'm giving them my e1000, the bank does put it on hold for 10 years - no small rate at all, it's a CD after all ! Plus the fee !
They making money from thin air, easy. Just like that. Snap your fingers (type a few numbers on PC keyboard) and the e130 is yours ! Unbelievable.


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What is your Nationality Sergio?
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What is your Nationality Sergio?
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He has already said he is a US citizen!


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Polemi Dave

Spot on; been there and got the T shirt.

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Sergio, I have sent you a pm which should prove useful to you.


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For EU Citizens with a Non EU Spouse I believe it is the MEU2A form that has to be submitted after five years to gain Permanent Residency.

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Jim B wrote:
For EU Citizens with a Non EU Spouse I believe it is the MEU2A form that has to be submitted after five years to gain Permanent Residency.
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Sorry, it's out of scoop the thread.


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What is your Nationality Sergio?
Geoff.

He has already said he is a US citizen!


Yes, but the name is Russian sounding.
Whatever, non-EU.
Always problems for non-EUs!
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Sergio wrote:
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For EU Citizens with a Non EU Spouse I believe it is the MEU2A form that has to be submitted after five years to gain Permanent Residency.
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Sorry, it's out of scoop the thread.


Why pick on my post; most of the posts on this thread are out of scope? Must be cos I'm a hand wringing, limp wrist-ed left wing socialist

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Nope. Just stay on topic, please.


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Whatever you are Jim, you are right. For permanent residency it is the MEU2A for the non-EU spouse and the MEU3 for the EU citizen. Sergio, being a US citizen, is classified as a third-country national and different rules and requirements exist. However, I don't think he will be applying for permanent residency, just a registration certificate.

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What is your Nationality Sergio?
Geoff.

What is your point Geoff ? If we will talk about visas in a bar and hearing such question, I would say the person is too nosy and will cut conversation.
But we are in public forum and you did decide come with such inquisition in a thread dedicated to visas. Instead of post something on topic.
If you have something to say personal - use PM. Or stay on topic.


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Josef K wrote:
... However, I don't think he will be applying for permanent residency, just a registration certificate.

I thought my opening question is exactly about F visa, pro&contra.
Do you know answers?


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"Nope. Just stay on topic, please."

Wow, another elevation to forum police I missed! Must pay attention!


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Jacs - you can't blame Sergio for becoming frustrated - he's looking for answers which are relevant to his own situation.

As has already been pointed out, there are very few forum members here who fit that bill so perhaps it's better for only those members who do fit the criteria and are in a position to post responses which can help Sergio.

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Maybe Jules, but this ain't a perfect Utopia, it's a forum for goodness sake! Topics go off-topic, it's par for the course, take the good with the bad. But as an aside Sergio is saying this far too often, a damn sight more than admin ever does.

Have to say, I've often found an answer I've been looking for in an off-topic thread. Do we really need people constantly telling us to stay on topic? I'm for one saying no thank you. Yes,it can be frustrating, but not the end if the world. If there is someone out there with the appropriate info, in my experience they will usually rise to the surface. If they don't, then perhaps they just aren't there!

A final consideration, maybe peeps don't quite understand what the OP is asking for, but perhaps think they may have some other info which may help, so post anyway. Not nice for them to be told to 'stay on topic please'

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Sergio, have you asked your question on any other Cyprus forums? If no luck here, maybe someone on another forum might have the answer.


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What is your Nationality Sergio?
Geoff.

What is your point Geoff ? If we will talk about visas in a bar and hearing such question, I would say the person is too nosy and will cut conversation.
But we are in public forum and you did decide come with such inquisition in a thread dedicated to visas. Instead of post something on topic.
If you have something to say personal - use PM. Or stay on topic.


Sergio, absolutely no offence intended, and I sincerely apologise if any was taken.
I was just curious as to why Cyprus gives some (if not all) non-EU nationals a hard
time over immigration procedures.
I do hope you get everything sorted out OK.
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A member asking where you were from was only intended to help point you in the right direction to the correct set of rules or knowledge that a fellow countryman may already have.
There are certain / specific rules for Nationals from EU countries
There are certain / specific rules for Nationals who have spouses from EU countries
There are certain / specific rules for Nationals from Non EU ‘Western’ countries
There are certain / specific rules for Nationals from ‘Easter Block’ countries
There are certain / specific rules for Nationals from ‘Middle East’ countries
There are certain / specific rules for Nationals from ‘Far East’ countries
Because you didn’t specify a nationality, you were given ‘general’ information that led to the thread going slightly ‘off topic’…going slightly ‘off topic’ DOES NOT constitute bullying!!!

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What is your Nationality Sergio?
Geoff.

What is your point Geoff ? If we will talk about visas in a bar and hearing such question, I would say the person is too nosy and will cut conversation.
But we are in public forum and you did decide come with such inquisition in a thread dedicated to visas. Instead of post something on topic.
If you have something to say personal - use PM. Or stay on topic.


Sergio, absolutely no offence intended, and I sincerely apologise if any was taken.
I was just curious as to why Cyprus gives some (if not all) non-EU nationals a hard
time over immigration procedures.
I do hope you get everything sorted out OK.
Geoff.

OK. My thoughts was different, now I got clear picture of your intention.

I hope someone like me, from "third" country could share his experience here.


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In fairness I did go off scope but in mitigation it was only to rectify a point made in an earlier out of scope post.

I have been through the procedure that Sergio was asking about as my wife is from a Third Country and when we originally applied for her residency the Immigration Department was in a state of confusion as they tried to implement the new EU legislation. She was firstly issued with a Pink Slip which was only valid for 12 months and then we had to go through the procedure again where she was then issued with a Visa F Yellow Slip which was valid for five years. The form we used was the MTL1 (see link) and even though submitted in Paphos it was processed in Nicosia. This I believe is the way to go.
Going off Scope again: next week we visit Immigration where we submit the MEU2a form which will entitle her to More or less Permanent Residency

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/crmd/crmd.nsf ... enDocument

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Thanks; so, how much you paid total expenses for your wife's F visa ?

They told me at Paphos immigration office go to Nicosia to start the process - how you did manage it locally, in Paphos office ?


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I can't remember precisely but it wasn't that expensive, around 18 Euro. As Polemi Dave said; depending who you are depends how you are treated. When my wife has been on her own they give her the run around but when I'm with her they are all very nice and helpful.

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Well, that's unfair ...

One thing is the govt fee (for F visa application itself ) close to e500; so, your payment was pretty low, perhaps just for local paperwork.


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Here is a link to fees for Temporary Residence; maybe I'm reading it wrong but it says renewal of a Temporary Residency is 70 Euro.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/CRMD/crmd.nsf ... enDocument

If you read down it gives a link to fees.

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I think you might be talking apples and pairs Jim. Your wife, like mine, has the status of "non-EU spouse of an EU citizen", and is covered by EU regulations. Sergio is a non-EU citizen, and is not covered by EU regulations. In a nutshell, Cyprus can use whatever procedure and charges it wants in his case.

Of course he may be married to an EU citizen but, unsurprisingly, I am reluctant to ask.

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Josef K wrote:
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Of course he may be married to an EU citizen but, ...

Well, I'm not, to be clear.


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Hello Joseph K

You are correct but at the time we were first registering Immigration were in total confusion trying to introduce the EU legislation so they treated the wife like a Third Country National and issued her a Pink Slip that was valid for 1 year (same as Sergio). We then had to go through the whole procedure again which took over a year and several trips back to her home country for different documents that Immigration felt they needed. Eventually a Yellow Slip was issued that was valid for 5 years so if you include the two years it took to get the Pink and Yellow Slips she has now been here eight years and we are submitting the MEU2a form for "Permanent Residency".

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Seems to me, I should continue renewal my pink slip another three years before I could apply for permanent residence [MLT1].
Here is a quote from official page http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/CRMD/crmd.nsf/All/D0B62F3A3B68AFA8C2257D2C0037B99D?OpenDocument
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Beneficiaries:

Third-country nationals (including family members of European Union citizens not covered by the Right of Union Citizens and their Family Members to Move and Reside Freely within the Territory of the Republic Law No. 7(I)/2007), who have resided legally and continuously within the controlled areas by the Government of the Republic for five years prior to the submission of the relevant application and who posses valid residence permits.


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Sergio wrote:
Seems to me, I should continue renewal my pink slip another three years before I could apply for permanent residence [MLT1].
Here is a quote from official page http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/CRMD/crmd.nsf/All/D0B62F3A3B68AFA8C2257D2C0037B99D?OpenDocument
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Beneficiaries:

Third-country nationals (including family members of European Union citizens not covered by the Right of Union Citizens and their Family Members to Move and Reside Freely within the Territory of the Republic Law No. 7(I)/2007), who have resided legally and continuously within the controlled areas by the Government of the Republic for five years prior to the submission of the relevant application and who posses valid residence permits.


I have been following this thread with interest. Sergio, how many years have you actually resided
in Cyprus (regardless of what slip/basis/visa etc)?
Surely if 5 or more years you SHOULD be able to apply for Permanent Residency status now (??)
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